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Old August 7th, 2016, 06:18 AM   #1
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Is the internal safety on the shield good enough to care appendix carry with one in the pipe and know Manuel safety on the gun?
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Old August 7th, 2016, 07:16 AM   #2
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Welcome from North Carolina.

I like having a safety on my Shield for several reasons. One is to holster the gun and then it is flipped off to carry. Anytime I am just handing the gun I like to have the safety on. On the rare times, I have pocket carried, I like to have the safety on.

All that said, the gun is not going to fire unless the trigger gets pulled. This is where the importance of having a dedicated holster that covers your trigger comes in. Carry it on a real gun belt. Are you new to carrying? If so, do not rule out OWB, it is very comfortable and the Shield is so easy to conceal with just a cover shirt. I have never been able to carry IWB and don't even understand how you could sit down while appendix carrying. I know there are a lot of people that do it, I just know it is not for me.

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Old August 7th, 2016, 09:23 AM   #3
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I agree with Jay, and I don't appendix carry. But yes It's OK to carry with just the internal safeties. As he wrote, finger off of the trigger. On a gun that has a safety in the trigger, the ONLY time the finger goes on the trigger is when you are actively squeezing off a shot, otherwise the trigger finger resides on the frame of the gun above and in front of the trigger.

There's a very good reason for that. Under stress we lose our fine motor skills and that means we can't tell how much pressure is being applied to the trigger. The safety will be deactivated with a lot less pressure than we think we're applying and it's just a bit more to make the gun go off. It's difficult to tell when that will happen under stress. So it's finger off of the trigger until the split second before you've made the decision to shoot. There are plenty of you tube videos of negligent discharges by cops with Glocks and other guns with triggers of that type. The difference is training. So learn the right way right at the start. Finger off of the trigger until the decision has been made to shoot and the trigger is actively being pressed to make the gun go bang.
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Old August 9th, 2016, 07:27 AM   #4
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Welcome to the Neighborhood! The answer is yes provided you keep your finger off the trigger both when drawing and reholstering.
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Old August 9th, 2016, 11:41 AM   #5
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Is the internal safety on the shield good enough to care appendix carry with one in the pipe and know Manuel safety on the gun?
That's the way I carry but I can't speak for you. Bill in Tx is spot on, make sure the gun is clear and practice keeping your finger out of the trigger FBI style till you have it down 100's of times. It has to be second nature, if you put your finger in the trigger on the draw before you are pointing at what you want to shoot very bad things can happen.

This, every time in empty gun practice,

http://jimvaglica.com/wp/wp-content/...ingEdge-50.jpg

Do it over and over, if you put your finger in the trigger too early. practice more before have one in the pipe and no safety.

It's normal for many shooter to have to do empty gun drills for a week then test yourself every few months with a empty gun, I just shot paper without a holster till my CCW, even thought I kept my finger out of the trigger then I noticed in drawing I would slip my finger inside the trigger guard as fast as possible.


PS: As Bill said keep that is both holstering and upholstering, YOU do need to watch your shirt and undershirt when holstering, that is one of the most common ways to blow your junk off, bit of tee shirt gets in the holster and pulls the trigger when you slide the gun in. When just carrying and using the rest room or whatever, I take the whole holster out or put it in my pants with the gun already in it to prevent shirt trigger contact. Even at the range I pull the holster out and put the gun in it after a reload then tuck it back in my pants.

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I carry my Shield AIWB with safety off, Bladetech holster. Day to day, entire holster comes off with gun when taking gun off.

When using gun (competition, training, etc.) finger outside trigger guard, avoid pointing gun inward when holstering. Avoid the use of cover garments with draw strings or anything else that could press the trigger when holstering.

Remember, no matter what holster method you use, you have all the time in the world needed to holster the weapon really. Do not rush putting the gun back. Maybe in some crazy 3 gun nation stage one might holster on the clock if transitioning pistol - long gun - pistol (never seen it personally though) , but in our club matches we never holster on the clock.
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Thanks for the great advice
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Friend of mine, who carries both the baby Glocks and Shields, and used to be a firearms instructor for a couple of different branches of law enforcement, as well as a License To Carry instructor here in Texas, told me a story a couple of years back that happened to him.

He wasn't carrying AIWB, but was carrying his .40 caliber Glock 26 IWB. He was disarming himself after getting home one particular evening, when his gun got caught on his suspender strap and went off, and he shot himself in the leg.

It was a clean through and through and the barrel of the weapon was so close to his leg the blast cauterized the wound. He drove himself to the hospital to get taken care of.

Moral of the story; if a guy with his credentials can have an accidental discharge, the same thing can happen to me if I don't pay attention every time I draw and holster.
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That's why I remove the whole holster with gun intact unless I intend to shoot it. Downside, in public that means a stall, no more standing for the bathroom break. Upside, very little chance of a AD.

Started doing this for much the same reason as below, long term LE, IWB, plinking on range, it caught in his shirt tail, he carried on his hip, got lucky, missed his foot by a inch, only wounded pride and 4 hours of ear ringing, well, and one of us needed new jeans due to a bit of a long hole/tear.

If he was carrying Appendix it could have been very bad, he gets his premium hollowpoints free for training as the State Patrol practices with their duty rounds.


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Friend of mine, who carries both the baby Glocks and Shields, and used to be a firearms instructor for a couple of different branches of law enforcement, as well as a License To Carry instructor here in Texas, told me a story a couple of years back that happened to him.

He wasn't carrying AIWB, but was carrying his .40 caliber Glock 26 IWB. He was disarming himself after getting home one particular evening, when his gun got caught on his suspender strap and went off, and he shot himself in the leg.

It was a clean through and through and the barrel of the weapon was so close to his leg the blast cauterized the wound. He drove himself to the hospital to get taken care of.

Moral of the story; if a guy with his credentials can have an accidental discharge, the same thing can happen to me if I don't pay attention every time I draw and holster.
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I dont wear suspenders.
Seems like it would be kinda hard unless he undid his suspenders first which would not be the sensible thing to do.

Me rest room or home and disarming
1st step always remove weapon w/o placing finger on bang switch and engage safety. Then set it down and proceed with my business.

Not saying it is impossible or I am perfect just saying I do my best to be safe doing it and do so in a safe way.

Sometimes in life however "shit happens" I just hope not to me.



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Old August 11th, 2016, 01:57 PM   #11
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I will drop this after this one but my buddy got it caught on his tee shirt, still fully tucked in his underwear, it seemed like there was just the normal slop from sitting down and standing up, pull up your shirt now and is your tee shirt skin tight or could part of it get into the holster?

That what happened, took about a inch of loose shirt to catch on the gun trigger area during holstering, go down into the holster and catch on the trigger. Lots of room for error as a slightly loose tee shirt may hang over the IWB holster before inserting the gun.

At least watch the holster, shirt, gun with care each time you holster Buddy, stay safe.

PS: Did not read the safety part, mine do not have safeties of the "switch of and on kind" just drop safeties and so forth. That really lowers your risk.

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I dont wear suspenders.
Seems like it would be kinda hard unless he undid his suspenders first which would not be the sensible thing to do.

Me rest room or home and disarming
1st step always remove weapon w/o placing finger on bang switch and engage safety. Then set it down and proceed with my business.

Not saying it is impossible or I am perfect just saying I do my best to be safe doing it and do so in a safe way.

Sometimes in life however "shit happens" I just hope not to me.



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Old August 12th, 2016, 02:46 AM   #12
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Mine is owb and yes I LOOK at the holster as the gun in inserted.
Nothing is 100% but with diligence and care we can avoid tragedy hopefully.




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