Fiber Optic vs Tritium sights

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Old March 16th, 2009, 09:29 AM   #1
 
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Hello all,



I have been trying to figure out what kind of sights I need to replace the stock on my MP 9FS. Almost all the talk I see are of tritium night sights. But there are fiber optic ones out there and I really haven't been able to find a good website discussing pros and cons of both and under what circumstances each are most useful.



So I was almost going to just go with a tritium set before I read somewhere that, those are useful for one shot and that after that, the blinding resulting from the first shot makes it impossible to see the tritium dots for subsequent shots. Is that true in practice?



Anyone with some sage advice on this will be greatly appreciated.



Thanks!



PS: if this has been discussed in the past, I apologize in advance.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 09:53 AM   #2
 
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No appologizes necessary, there are so many threads on this site it sometimes gets overwhelming. First off, as far as i know most self-defense ammunition uses low flash powder, so unless your pistol has a ported barrel the "night blinding" affect is pretty minimal. To be cetain thought, once you have selected you SD ammo do a little nighttime shooting and test for yourself. Ever ammo is different, and everyone's eye's are different.



As for night sights, if it's on a self defense gun most posters here would agree that night sights are the only way to go.. The drawback to night sights is they can be very difficult to use during the day. Truglow remedied this problem by creating a very popular combo FO/Tritium sight....but they have yet to develop one for the M&P. Another consideration is two dot vs 3 dot night sites and site color. Many people go with green front and yellow rear ans they find all green to be too distraction. Many folks like the two dot (one over another) as it's less math for the brain to do. Some folks even run just a tritium from with a plain rear. It is very much a personal preference thing.



Fiber-optics, on the other hand, are great during the day and for competition. Depending on the rod color and your eyes, you can use FO in very low light conditions. I happened to be one of those people who can see FO in vewry low light conditions, and spend alot of time practicing at the range. I decided to go with FO on my defense gun because I believe that if there is enough light to see the Bad Guy, there is enough light to see the FO. Many will disagree with me, but it works for me. That being said, I added a CTC laser grip to my gun as a training aid and now have the best of both worlds.



Whatever setup you choose, practice, practice, practice. the best sights in the world are no help if you haven't built up the muscle memory.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 10:33 AM   #3
 
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Thanks fireroad! That helps a lot. So before I do anything, I gotta test out some HST/Speer loads under low light first.

Also in future, if I am going to add a CTC, then i should prob go with a FO sight for the day then, rite. My eyesight is normal, so i do not think i will have much difficulty under low light conditions.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 11:04 AM   #4
 
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Fiber optic sights collect and concentrate ambient light. No ambient light, nothing to concentrate.



Tritium sights generate their own light via radioactive decay. The energy from the decay particle causes florescence in material that coats the vial. No ambient light; not a problem.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 11:26 AM   #5
 
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I've got the Bowie/Ameriglo sights on my M&P 9FS and compact. The front is a green tritium vial with a white outline. The rear is a 2 dot yellow with no outline. In lighted shooting situations, the rear dots with no outline (Bowie/Ameriglo Operators) are unobtrusive, basically disappearing in all but low/no light. With the wide notch, the quick sight picture lines up so space on either side of the front is more or less equal and the top of the front lines up with the top of the rear, target is behind the front dot.



I have a FO green front sight and fixed tactical rear from Angus Hobdell on my CZ 75 SP-01. The setup makes for a great sight picture in lighted shooting. There is no "low/no light" capability without a flashlight. With my Surefire 6P LED on a target, I can pic up the green dot and line up the front post in the rear window sight picture



I have the TruGlo TFO Green/Green sights on a HK USP40. The rear sight totally overpowers the front sights. I have no personal report of reliability, because I don't shoot the pistol often anymore because of the USP ergonomics vs. my M&P's and my CZ. Some folks have reported that the FO rods loose their light gathering ability easily from dirt/scratches/solvent. They are not easily replaceable.



Most everyone who uses the CTC lasergrips reports that they are a great tool in nearly all lighting conditions for practice and combat. They are on my to get list for both of my M&P's, but I wouldn't rely ONLY on a battery operated device for low/no light shooting for a defensive/carry piece.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 11:54 AM   #6
 
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Excellent info tremiles and everyone else. Nothing like having tried all the setups on different guns! The sight descriptions are very helpful

So until the TRUglow TFO is available for m&ps, I think I will go with the Bowie/Ameriglo set with a CTC added on later.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 12:38 PM   #7
 
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TFOs in my experience are not worth it. More of a gimmick than a useful product. The rear sight overpowers the front in low light conditions. The fiber optic isn't as effective in lighted conditions compared to a dedicated fiber optic, and it is harder (sometimes impossible) to replace the rod WHEN (not if) it falls out.



My suggestion is if you have a need to shoot in the dark (carry gun or IDPA competition) get regular night sights. I like to wave the "warren tactical" banner because I like the 2 dot arrangement for its speed, and the fact that the front dot is bigger and brighter, naturally drawing my eye to it.
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Originally Posted by RobMoore' post='196292' date='Mar 16 2009, 03:38 PM
My suggestion is if you have a need to shoot in the dark (carry gun or IDPA competition) get regular night sights. I like to wave the "warren tactical" banner because I like the 2 dot arrangement for its speed, and the fact that the front dot is bigger and brighter, naturally drawing my eye to it.


Warren Tactical 2-dot is a great choice. It's the first time that shooting with both eyes open has come almost automatically rather than a concentrated forethought.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 01:08 PM   #9
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I'll put in my two cents here. If you are going to go with the laser grip which is best low light sighting device, why not go with the Fiber optic front for the best daylight sighting device. If you ask me this gives you the best sighting for both situations.



I personally have had problem with the laser sight in day light when there isn't much contrast between target and backgound, it can be had to find the laser and found it was much easier to use the sights in this case.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 01:16 PM   #10
 
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Hi all,



Dan if I want to keep the original rear sight and add a FO in front, what height the sight needs to have?



Thanks.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 01:18 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by jibarp' post='196303' date='Mar 16 2009, 04:16 PM
Hi all,



Dan if I want to keep the original rear sight and add a FO in front, what height the sight needs to have?



Thanks.
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Old March 16th, 2009, 06:08 PM   #12
 
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I just ordered the XS standard dot tritium's for my two M&P's. They should be here tomorrow and will get to install by Thursday hopefully. I will give a range report asap.
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Old March 17th, 2009, 06:37 AM   #13
 
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Originally Posted by Dan Burwell' post='196302' date='Mar 16 2009, 04:08 PM
I'll put in my two cents here. If you are going to go with the laser grip which is best low light sighting device, why not go with the Fiber optic front for the best daylight sighting device. If you ask me this gives you the best sighting for both situations.



I personally have had problem with the laser sight in day light when there isn't much contrast between target and backgound, it can be had to find the laser and found it was much easier to use the sights in this case.


This was my original thinking. Fireroad above said the same thing.



@Robmoore : Yeah TFO's might not be that great after all from the reviews on the web.



I have to think about this more and figure out what situations I might need it in(though how can anyone ever know ).
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Old March 17th, 2009, 07:52 AM   #14
 
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I went with Fiber I can see this GREAT in the day light and at night its about the same as the sights that came with it. I have noticed that night sights work great in total darkness but when lights are in the back ground it can be difficult to locate the Tritium front sight.



But thats just me.

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Old March 17th, 2009, 08:24 AM   #15
 
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Originally Posted by longrange' post='196440' date='Mar 17 2009, 10:52 AM
I went with Fiber I can see this GREAT in the day light and at night its about the same as the sights that came with it. I have noticed that night sights work great in total darkness but when lights are in the back ground it can be difficult to locate the Tritium front sight.


Which FO sight you went with and did you needed to do any fitting?



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