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This is a discussion on For those with FS9s having accuracy problems... within the MP Pistol Tech Help forums, part of the Smith & Wesson MP Forum category; Originally Posted by RiemannZeta Interesting... C4, do you have an ETA on these barrels? I've been waiting on the Apex/Bar-Sto barrel to be released for ...


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Old April 18th, 2012, 09:39 AM   #31
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Interesting... C4, do you have an ETA on these barrels? I've been waiting on the Apex/Bar-Sto barrel to be released for what seems like forever, but have just about given up. I swear, you wouldn't think that getting a hollow, steel cylinder in production would take longer than the Manhattan Project.


Compact barrel should be showing any day now. Then in about 3-4 weeks the FS barrels will come in. We will then fit them to M&P's and shoot them from our Ransom rest to prove theory.







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Interesting... C4, do you have an ETA on these barrels? I've been waiting on the Apex/Bar-Sto barrel to be released for what seems like forever, but have just about given up. I swear, you wouldn't think that getting a hollow, steel cylinder in production would take longer than the Manhattan Project.


I think part of the issue is S&W appears to be constantly changing their parts to the point that it might be a risk to produce a mass run of barrels based on what is available. Also don't forget that Apex has a lofty goal, though I am sure they will reach it.





What Grant needs is a 3rd party tester for the FS barrels...
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Compact barrel should be showing any day now. Then in about 3-4 weeks the FS barrels will come in. We will then fit them to M&P's and shoot them from our Ransom rest to prove theory.







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Awesome. Have you set a price?
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Awesome. Have you set a price?


No, but I am thinking $200 (installed).







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A threaded version would be nice



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I think part of the issue is S&W appears to be constantly changing their parts to the point that it might be a risk to produce a mass run of barrels based on what is available. Also don't forget that Apex has a lofty goal, though I am sure they will reach it.





What Grant needs is a 3rd party tester for the FS barrels...


I have no doubt that when Apex does release these, they're going to be top-notch. I wouldn't expect them to produce a huge quantity of these; The product caters to a niche market. I just don't understand why they haven't made any production run... The prototypes have been around for quite some time now.
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I have no doubt that when Apex does release these, they're going to be top-notch. I wouldn't expect them to produce a huge quantity of these; The product caters to a niche market. I just don't understand why they haven't made any production run... The prototypes have been around for quite some time now.


Agree, but there is a little more to it, or so I understand.



Early bird gets the worm, let's hope someone else gets a FS barrel sooner. Options are nice.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #38
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S&W did not make the barrels. Mr. Langdon requested that they make then, but he was told no.





We will have more of these barrel shortly and will offer a fitting service as well.







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This is great news. Will your barrels have the current twist rate as used by S&W or will you be doing something more conventional? Thanks.
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Well, source, that's sure as heck news to me and to the folks who were involved in supporting the test from S&W.



All of the so-called Langdon barrels were polished stainless and had a slightly different profile. The barrel in the test gun was Melonited and had the standard profile. Anyone who knows anything about the M&P (and the Langdon barrels) should be able to look at any of the bazillion photos of the endurance test gun and see pretty clearly which barrel it has. Especially if that person has actually handled and shot the gun in question, and especially if that person owns one of the forums that had a year-long ongoing thread about the test...



I do, in fact, own one of the original production run Langdon barrels. There were about ten of them, I believe. And contrary to comments above, they were in fact manufactured by S&W at the S&W factory in Springfield, MA. I used it in the M&P I was shooting before the endurance test, the one that cracked its slide at about 21k rounds and helped lead to a change in the way Smith manufactured its slides (which is why the endurance test slide went about three times longer before cracking). I received the special barrel from Ernest himself specifically because that early M&P (purchased in '06) was having the early unlocking issues that are still at issue with current production guns. My recollection is that the barrel was produced in '07, but I'd have to call Ernest to be sure it didn't date back earlier than that.



For the record: the pistol-training.com M&P endurance test gun had a stock barrel that came standard straight from the factory. Any suggestion to the contrary is ludicrous and misinformed.
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Hey ToddG, thanks for stopping by.



I stand corrected on the "endurance" barrel, but I was quite certain you had used a barrel from a small batch that S&W made for Ernest Langdon.



Sorry Todd,



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I stand corrected on the "endurance" barrel, but I was quite certain you had used a barrel from a small batch that S&W made for Ernest Langdon.


Absolutely correct, I do have one and in fact I was using it before the endurance test even began. No worries on the confusion. I just didn't want the results of the test gun's accuracy (using a standard M&P barrel) to be used to promote some aftermarket part.
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Thanks for the clarification Todd, glad to see you visiting the board.
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This is great news. Will your barrels have the current twist rate as used by S&W or will you be doing something more conventional? Thanks.


No. They will be the more traditional 1/16 twist.





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Well, source, that's sure as heck news to me and to the folks who were involved in supporting the test from S&W.



All of the so-called Langdon barrels were polished stainless and had a slightly different profile. The barrel in the test gun was Melonited and had the standard profile. Anyone who knows anything about the M&P (and the Langdon barrels) should be able to look at any of the bazillion photos of the endurance test gun and see pretty clearly which barrel it has. Especially if that person has actually handled and shot the gun in question, and especially if that person owns one of the forums that had a year-long ongoing thread about the test...



I do, in fact, own one of the original production run Langdon barrels. There were about ten of them, I believe. And contrary to comments above, they were in fact manufactured by S&W at the S&W factory in Springfield, MA. I used it in the M&P I was shooting before the endurance test, the one that cracked its slide at about 21k rounds and helped lead to a change in the way Smith manufactured its slides (which is why the endurance test slide went about three times longer before cracking). I received the special barrel from Ernest himself specifically because that early M&P (purchased in '06) was having the early unlocking issues that are still at issue with current production guns. My recollection is that the barrel was produced in '07, but I'd have to call Ernest to be sure it didn't date back earlier than that.



For the record: the pistol-training.com M&P endurance test gun had a stock barrel that came standard straight from the factory. Any suggestion to the contrary is ludicrous and misinformed.


Hey Todd, how are you doing?



I was informed by Storm Lake that a member of the S&W shooting team came to them to purchase 10 barrels as they (the shooting team) were not happy with the accuracy capabilities of their firearms. They also advised that S&W would NOT make them over sized barrels.



About a month ago, Hackathorn and I were talking about these barrels and he informed me that he had one. The barrels were in fact "fitted" by one guy at S&W (who got in trouble for doing it and eventualy left the company over it).



So from both Hackathorn and Storm Lake, those SS barrels were NOT manufactured by S&W.



In regards to what barrel you had in your endurance gun, I do not remember as I just never paid that much attention (sorry).







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Hey Todd, how are you doing?


At least you still have a sense of humor, I guess. You mean how am I doing since you posted this about me in your Staff forum at M4C?



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Now since The ToadG has burned so many bridges on this forum, I can imagine that someone has little to NO interest in seeing him benefit from this forum. This would include him having his class AAR's on here. Let us not forget that if it wasn't for M4C, he would still talking to 25 people on the MP Pistol forum. AAR's are tools that instructor's use to gain interest in future classes. So if their are no AAR's there will be less interest for this instructor. When one goes after their enemy, you don't just kill them, you burn their villages to the ground, poison their water supply and kill their livestock. Leave nothing.




That was right after you deleted all my AARs, and right before you deleted my account. So please, let's not pretend we're buddies, dude.



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So from both Hackathorn and Storm Lake, those SS barrels were NOT manufactured by S&W.


If that's the case, I stand corrected. I'll check with Ernest, since they were made for him. If I'm mistaken and the barrels weren't made by Smith, I'll respond to clear the air and offer my mea culpa. But regardless of where they were made, mine was not used in the endurance test gun and I don't appreciate you trying to tie my work -- and the performance of the pistol using a stock barrel -- to promote some new product you're going to be selling.



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In regards to what barrel you had in your endurance gun, I do not remember as I just never paid that much attention (sorry).


That's funny, because we discussed it by PM on your forum (M4C) while planning the aborted "pistol-training.com" M&Ps. Of course, those all got deleted when you deleted my account. And as I said, there's also the fact that you handled the gun, shot the gun, promoted it in a huge ongoing thread on your forum for months, etc. But I suppose that could all be considered not paying attention.

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