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Performance Center/Pro Sear in M&P 45

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Old November 29th, 2015, 08:42 AM   #1
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Performance Center/Pro Sear in M&P 45

I have a brand new M&P 45 (LE version made in July 2014) that has a very hard trigger pull which I would like to lighten. I don't mind the grittiness in the early take up and it has a decent tactile/audible reset, but the trigger pull is just too strong. Smith & Wesson Performance Center will install a Performance Center Sear and tune the trigger for $150.00 but that is more than what I want to spend just to reduce the trigger pull an lb. or two. Can anyone tell me if the Pro Sear used in the M&P Pros is the same Performance Center Sear that would be used in the 45s? I ask this question as I know that Apex uses a different Sear in the Shields and 45s than they use in the 9s and 40s. I have located a Pro Sear but don't want to order it unless I know that it will work in the 45. Also, with a manufacture date of July, 2014, does anyone know if I have the latest trigger used in the 45s? I have noticed that it has a heavier trigger pull than the display model M&P 45 at my local gun store.

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Old November 29th, 2015, 10:20 AM   #2
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I've got the Apex fully machined sear and ultimate striker block in all of my pistols, including the Pro CORE that I have, that is what I would recommend, they help tremendously, and the cost is a lot less than the S&W parts.

https://store.apextactical.com/WebDi...?categoryId=20
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Old November 29th, 2015, 01:07 PM   #3
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Thanks for your suggestion. I'm well acquainted with the Apex separate parts and kits including the DCAEK. This is a duty/home defense gun and not a target pistol. For this purpose I'm happy with everything about the gun except for the too strong trigger pull.. I don't need the trigger pull really light and don't need to change anything else about the trigger so I think that the Performance Center Sear would work out quite well. I have looked at the profile of all of these M&P sears and just want to make sure that the Performance Center Sear used in the 45 is the same as the one used in the 9s and 40s.
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Old November 29th, 2015, 01:11 PM   #4
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A "manufacture date of 2424;" holy terminator, batman!

In all seriousness; I'd go the Apex route too.
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Old November 29th, 2015, 01:40 PM   #5
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Sorry for the typos. The gun's manufacture date is July, 2014. I can get a whole brand new M&P Sear Housing Block including the Performance Center Sear for less than what just the sear from Apex costs, but that's beside to point as I'm not asking about Apex. I know what Apex has to offer and believe that the company's parts are high quality. However, I want to understand more about the Performance Center Sear if anyone has any knowledge. The PC Sear for the 9 mm/40 cal. is quite different from the stock 9 mm/40 cal. sear and it is also quite different from the Apex duty/carry sear as well. I understand that Apex is known to produce a somewhat better trigger than the Performance Center/Pro trigger.
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Old November 29th, 2015, 02:53 PM   #6
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The last that I heard Apex doesn't make an Ultimate Striker Block for the M&P 45.
From the USB page:
"Works with all current production Smith and Wesson M&P series pistols in 9mm, .357SIG, .40S&W and .45ACP, as well as the M&P Shield"

Installing the fully machined sear and USB lowers the trigger pull about 1 lb and smooths is substantially, for target shooting they make special kits just for that use, and say not to use on a carry gun.

They do make a specific Duty/Carry Action Kit for the 45:
.https://store.apextactical.com/WebDi...Details/191840

You can go that way, or the fully machined sear and USB are cheaper and great for CCW, but too heavy for competition/target use only.
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Sorry I can't help with the PC parts, I have no experience with them.

For carry, I use the Apex sear and spring, and ultimate striker block and spring, while retaining all other stock springs.

I don't use the DCAEK, as it includes some heavier than stock springs.

I also retain the stock triggers.
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Old November 30th, 2015, 04:36 PM   #8
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Thanks, Rick. I meant to say that Apex doesn't make a RAM for the M&P 45. so I'll delete my previous post. Yes, I understand that Apex does make and sell the USB for the 45. I appreciate your help. I should tell you that I want to avoid using a gunsmith to work on this pistol as I have enough money into it. For my purpose I really don't think that I need the trigger worked on with the full Apex DCAEK as I only want to lighten the pull a bit. This pistol is going to be a working pistol rather than a range pistol and I'm satisfied with the trigger for that purpose other than the heavy trigger pull.

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Old November 30th, 2015, 06:09 PM   #9
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If you shoot someone in self defense and it is a good shoot, I highly doubt the enhancements to your pistol will come into play. I hear this reason cited by many Internet commandos and I have yet to find any court case where justifiable self defense was called into question by the use of aftermarket parts (end user installed or otherwise), gunsmith trigger jobs, etc.. Same thing with hand loads (I do know of one case handloaded ammo was brought up, but not an impact on the outcome).

You shoot someone, the last thing the prosecutor is going to look at is the trigger bar loop. Hell, the majority of them I doubt even know what it is....

EDIT: I realized after the fact that my above post may be harsh. It is your pistol and if you only feel comfortable with factory work only, so be it. I do not hold that view, but you have every right to.

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I haven't had to mess with the trigger bar (or anything else) after installing any Apex parts. The guns have all run as reliably as they did when stock; just with much better trigger pulls and resets.

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If you shoot someone in self defense and it is a good shoot, I highly doubt the enhancements to your pistol will come into play. I hear this reason cited by many Internet commandos and I have yet to find any court case where justifiable self defense was called into question by the use of aftermarket parts (end user installed or otherwise), gunsmith trigger jobs, etc.. Same thing with hand loads (I do know of one case handloaded ammo was brought up, but not an impact on the outcome).

You shoot someone, the last thing the prosecutor is going to look at is the trigger bar loop. Hell, the majority of them I doubt even know what it is....

EDIT: I realized after the fact that my above post may be harsh. It is your pistol and if you only feel comfortable with factory work only, so be it. I do not hold that view, but you have every right to.
Thanks for your thoughts. No, I understand that it is just your strongly held opinion based upon your knowledge and experience. That said, some agencies that allow Apex parts require that a certified armorer install them. That is for legal and safety reasons. They don't want some yahoo out there modifying a duty pistol with aftermarket parts. No one can tell us what will be brought up in the future and what won't be; only what could be.

Anyway, it seems that no one has the answer to my question yet. Thanks everyone!

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Old December 8th, 2015, 05:31 PM   #12
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I have another note from S&W today answering my question after I had asked if the Pro sears were all the same in all of the M&P pistols.

Dear Customer,

The sears are different from the Shield to All of the full size M&P pistols.
All of the full size M&P sears are compatible with each other just not with the Shield.


So it seems that the Pro sear out of the 9 and 40 Pros isn't designed for work in the Shield but will work in the 45. That doesn't necessarily mean it won't work in the Shield but is does mean that S&W uses a different sear in the Performance Center Shield than it uses in the larger pistols..
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 04:40 AM   #13
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45 back from Smith with new different sear??

I just received my brand new FS M&P 45 Back from Smith & Wesson after sending it in for an extremely heavy staple gun like trigger pull of approx. 10 lbs. The paper from S&W stated that the trigger bar was replaced and nothing else. The gun now has a significantly lighter pull which was my main objective. The trigger has very little audible and tactile reset which is nice to have for target shooting but to me isn't important in a Duty/Home Defense gun where audible/tactile reset wouldn't be noticed in an emergency anyway. The reset is still very short, and I do like this lighter trigger better as it will allow for less site picture disruption. The most significant readily visible change is that it now appears to have a M&P Pro sear in it.

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Link above is a search of M&P sears with pictures!
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