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Old December 26th, 2006, 06:07 PM   #31
 
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Are you Right handed??





Sounds like the Problems is with you, Right Handed shooters pull shots Low & Left!!



I used to do that, then I worked to My Trigger Control, it went away!!
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Old January 17th, 2007, 07:16 AM   #32
 
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re low left shooting

My M&P 40 did the same thing. I have been shooting pistols for 40 years so was pretty sure it wasn't me. I sent my 40 back to S&W after it shot low and left at only ten yards when bench rested using shot bags. S&W replaced the front sight with a lower one which resulted in me holding the front higher and curing the low problem. As for the left problem, tapping my sights with a brass punch cured that.

Problems so far: Shoots low and left @ ten yards, Roll pins tend to work loose, magazines drop out during live fire, striker doesn't always set off rounds (I think it may be the gunk I just cleaned out of it and will see as soon as the ice lets me)
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Old January 17th, 2007, 02:23 PM   #33
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Fedexed it to S&W last Wednesday. It was returned today. Message said "replaced front sight". The new one looks lower. It was also centered. The original was a tad to the right. Impressed with the turnaround. Received a letter yesterday saying they had it and it would be 2-3 weeks. I've noticed that many of the second party sight's have two heights (0.110 and 0.125"). The new sight looks lower, but I didn't measure the old one. Much better than taking a file to the front sight.



I spent a gob of rounds and a bunch of dryfires trying to prove it was me and not the pistol. I finally became convinced that it wasn't me after shooting a number of fixed-sight DA pistols and my M&P .38 revolver in DA. Just got to the point that I couldn't believe I would shoot this one low and not Lugers, Kimber .45's, markarov's, CZ75's, Ruger 9mm, Colt Python, GP100 and several more that I never fired before. We'll have to see how this fix works.



Other than shooting consistently low and left, I've been pleased with the M&P9. No mechanical problems, no FTF's, faulty ejections, premature mag drops or anything else. Round in the chamber and rounds in the mag, pull the trigger and it goes bang until there are no more rounds in the mag or the chamber. All these with the lowest priced ammo I can find.
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Old January 21st, 2007, 04:11 AM   #34
 
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Is there any for sure way to know if its the gun going low and left or me? I shot another 200 rounds yesterday and I'm still shooting between 6-9 o'clock on the target. I couldnt figure out what I was doing wrong and was trying everything I could think of to correct it but it never centered up. I can't rule out that is me, but a lot of other people seem to be having this problem as well so I wonder if maybe my gun is like this too. Any thoughts or things I should try at the range or do you think I should call up S&W?
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Old January 21st, 2007, 08:20 AM   #35
 
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Is there any for sure way to know if its the gun going low and left or me?


Yes, let someone else shoot it!!





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I shot another 200 rounds yesterday and I'm still shooting between 6-9 o'clock on the target. I couldnt figure out what I was doing wrong and was trying everything I could think of to correct it but it never centered up.


I have a feeling that you a re Jerking and Milking! You must be Right handed.



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I can't rule out that is me, but a lot of other people seem to be having this problem as well so I wonder if maybe my gun is like this too. Any thoughts or things I should try at the range or do you think I should call up S&W?


My 2 M&P9 shot POA from the get go!! I was surprised, I used to shoot low & Left with most other Pistols, like my G17's and my STI 2011's
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Old January 21st, 2007, 10:14 AM   #36
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Dang, you mean my trigger job didn't get back to low left
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Old January 21st, 2007, 10:14 AM   #37
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Unless you are a darned good shooter, if the pistol doesn't shoot close to POA, then you should question shooting technique. However, there is a point that you should stop questioning technique. If you don't shoot low-left with other pistols, others shoot it low-left or it does the same from a rest, then you might want to question the pistol. Also, how much low-left. I'm also willing to bet that each shooter sees the sights slightly differently.



My M&P9 shot low-left out of the box, ~4" at 7 yards and 6" at 15 yards. I spent several trips and about 1500 rounds convincing myself it wasn't me, even though I found some corrections to technique. The pistol shot very consistently when I held consistent sight pictures, just 4-6" low and a couple inches left. I shot a GP100 out of the box high and a bit of twiddling with the rear sight fixed that. I also shot several other fixed-sight pistols pretty much POI. At one point, I could darn near be convinced that Hi-Points were much more accurate than the M&P. I also made some corrections to how I was looking at the sights and brought the pistol back onto where I intended to shoot, but without much consistency. I also tried other ammuntion on the theory that different bullet weights changed the POI (I hope the difference between 115 gr and 147 grain isn't 6" at 45 feet, if it is, the 9mm is history).



The M&P also came with the front sight slightly off-center to to the right. No way to tell if that wasn't an intentional correction in production.



I sent the pistol back to S&W with a rather detailed note about what I believed it was doing and mentioned front sight placement. It took a week, ship to receive, to get the pistol back with the front sight centered and, I think, a lower front sight. Now, it shoots darned consistently with the same sight picture. With POI about POA (1/2-1" low with 115gr, but I'll take that).



Long story, but convince yourself that you are not getting shooter error, call S&W and send it back. I believe they have some low shooters from production. They fixed it fast with no questions asked.
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Dang, you mean my trigger job didn't get back to low left


Nope!!



It shoots tighter Groups now!!



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It's not always the shooter

My M&P9 shot up to 6" low and 2" left, depending on distance out of the box. I did find that some of the "low left" was a shooter problem. I also couldn't get the pistol on target without a very nonstanard sight picture, which had the top of the front sight well above the top of the rear sight.

The front sight, out of the box, was a tad right of center. As stated by better shooters than I, the problem is generally the shooter. In my case, I believed it until I fired about 12 fixed sight handguns that I had never shot before and didn't have a low-left problem with any of them.



I sent the M&P9 to S&W with and explanatin of the problem. It was returned with a centered, shorter front sight and my "low left" problem disappeared.
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Is it a good idea to adjust windage and move the rear sight right?
 
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Is it a good idea to adjust windage and move the rear sight right?


Yes, if the sights NEED to be adjusted.
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[quote name='Eddo36']Is it a good idea to adjust windage and move the rear sight right?


Yes, if the sights NEED to be adjusted.[/quote]

I'll rephrase that - IF the sights NEED to be adjusted.
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Has anyone noticed barrel alignment?

I just got my M&P9 and have been shooting low and left as well. I haven't shot for a long time and have noticed some of the low left is my fault, jerking the trigger, etc. But I have had a few shot's that I aimed right at the X and they were low or low/left and this was at approx 10 to 15 feet. I have shot 600 rounds through the gun and have been really concentrating on the trigger control, but I did notice that the front sight is slightly to the right of center.



The other thing I noticed, which is why I'm writing this is to see if anyone else has noticed this: if you look at the front of the barrel (at an angle with gun unloaded of course), it sits low in the slide. There is a wider gap at the top of the barrel as it protrudes through the slide.



I'm wondering if this and the front sight being off slightly from center are adding to the problem. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Where the barrel sits in the slide is normal.

The front sight being off center is not normal.



You can take it to a gunsmith or do this:

Mount your slide in a vise protected with a soft cloth. Use a drift punch to knock the sight over to center. The front sight is usually tight, so be careful.

Be sure to punch on the dovetail of the sight. Do not hit the blade because it will break off.
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I fumbled around with my M&P9 for a while (see previous posts) and finally sent it back to S&W. The pistol was returned in 7 days with a new, centered front sight. Great service. Consider letting them do the work, it shouldn't have been shipped from the factory that way.
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