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Old August 3rd, 2009, 10:31 AM   #16
 
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...For all of the reasons mentioned(post directly above me being the most obvious and pressing).



I seem to recall someone pushing this nonsense as a "point shooting method".



The things people come up with...


Yeah, folks going on about some famous FBI agent doing this because it was some super secret point shooting method.



Then the folks who think history is fun did some looking, and found out that no, it was probably because the dude was missing part of his index finger.
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Old August 13th, 2009, 04:26 PM   #17
 
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Well it's not nonsense that I move the barrel less with this method. I tried it today at the range and it did seem unnatural, but probably because i've always done it the accepted way. I shot closest to a bullseye shooting with my middle finger, but I have bigger problems like shooting to high almost every shot.
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Old August 13th, 2009, 05:24 PM   #18
 
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Are you anxious to see where the holes are going while you're shooting? Try "following through" after the shot, in other words, ignore what is downrange, keep your focus on the sights. Regain a sight picture immediately after the shot, THEN you can lower the gun and look downrange.



Sometimes a shooter who is anxious to find the hole after their shot will raise their eyes right at the crucial moment when the shot breaks. Their hands will guide the gun up slightly as this happens, following their eyes, causing a high shot.
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Old August 14th, 2009, 06:51 AM   #19
 
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Are you anxious to see where the holes are going while you're shooting?


I'm sure that's part of it. I'll try to worry less next time. I let someone else shoot the gun and their shots were high as well. I'm trying to line the dots up in a horizontal line as best I can.
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The dots aren't a very accurate way to shoot. Ignore the dots. Align the horizontal top surface of the front sight with that of the rear, with equal amount of light on either side, and place this alignment where you want the rounds to go (in other words, the round will impact where the top of the front sight is placed, if aligned properly and held there through the duration of the trigger press)
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Old August 20th, 2009, 10:45 AM   #21
 
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I'll throw out an analogy that was given to me by a greater shooter (and golfer).



In golf the three fingers furthest back on the grip (middle, ring and pinky) are where most of the power comes from in your arms during a golf swing. If you mess with this grip it will drastically change the results of your swing resulting in a slice or hook.



In shooting those three fingers have the most control over the gun. They are the "power fingers". Why would you want to lessen your control over the gun. Yes, the middle finger is a tad bit stronger than the index and works well on heavy triggers. But, in a high stress situation you want a good strong grip on that gun for maximum control of aiming, recoil, and retention.



On a retention note. Try ripping the gun out of your hand with two fingers on the grip and then try it with three. It's a significant difference in retaining your pistol should your attacker get a hold of you or your gun.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 11:29 AM   #22
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Yes. I've done. The last time I qualified, I did it. I have arthritis in both index fingers. Some days are worse than others. If I did not have arthritis, I would not have tried it.



One word of caution, dry firing and live firing are different. That slide can do damage if it has sharp edges and you rest your finger along that edge. Careful where you reset you index finger.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 02:34 PM   #23
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This is something that works for some. You can read about the technique at pointshooting.com

I tried it, didn't help me. A couple of friends not into shooting as much as me have tried it and it seems to help them. It is best to try it yourself them decide.



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Old August 20th, 2009, 02:42 PM   #24
 
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Dave Sevigny is a professional, sponsored shooter. If he could do this drill faster and better with his middle finger, he'd be doing it. If you can't do it at the speed he does with the paintball technique, it doesn't work. You're making it harder on yourself. Get some professional training.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU3jceN4JAc
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Old August 20th, 2009, 03:50 PM   #25
 
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A couple of friends not into shooting as much as me have tried it and it seems to help them.


They should get more practice and like Haji said some training.



Unless you have an issue with your index finger this shouldnt even be a consideration.I would switch to my weak hand before switching to my middle finger given the choice.



A proper grip is vital...This is the furthest thing from it.



Even if "it feels more natural" control will suffer and there's no reason with practice you should be any less accurate using your index finger.
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Old September 11th, 2009, 02:12 PM   #26
 
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Dave Sevigny is a professional, sponsored shooter. If he could do this drill faster and better with his middle finger, he'd be doing it. If you can't do it at the speed he does with the paintball technique, it doesn't work. You're making it harder on yourself. Get some professional training.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU3jceN4JAc


Why would I or anyone need to do that drill faster and better or at all?



Jerm, I'll try to post less nonsense in the future.
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Old September 11th, 2009, 02:18 PM   #27
 
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The "nonsense" comment wasnt directed at you.You were simply asking a question from what i can tell...Not pushing a silly idea as a superior method.
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Old September 11th, 2009, 02:21 PM   #28
 
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Originally Posted by RobMoore' post='220915' date='Aug 14 2009, 05:40 PM
The dots aren't a very accurate way to shoot. Ignore the dots. Align the horizontal top surface of the front sight with that of the rear, with equal amount of light on either side, and place this alignment where you want the rounds to go (in other words, the round will impact where the top of the front sight is placed, if aligned properly and held there through the duration of the trigger press)


Thanks Rob. I'll ignore the dots next time and line up the top of the front sight with the rear.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 12:38 PM   #29
 
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Hi all.



I have the site that was referred 2 above on point shooting.



As to using the middle finger and gripping the gun. The grip is a very strong grip. 4 fingers are used: the thumb and index finger pinch the gun and the ring and little fingers add tenacity to the grip. You can squeeze the beegebers out of the gun and all you will do is add strength to the grip.



It is not a marksmanship grip where the thumb is not supposed to press on the gun and where the index finger is supposed to be aloof from the gun so you can squeeze the trigger deftly to the rear.



It is for life or death situations, where according to the literature, you will have a crush grip on the gun, so your index finger will be as useful as a stick when it comes to squeezing the trigger and resetting it.



As to groups, don't expect dime or quarter sized groups when using the middle finger on the trigger and aiming the gun fast, naturally, and "accurately" with the index finger.



The NRA supports the use of point shooting for real CQ self defense situations. Here's a link to an article about that http://www.pointshooting.com/nrab.htm



And here's one to a digest of just released info of a cqb study by the forsce Science Research center. http://www.pointshooting.com/fsstudy.htm



When I shoot, I ususally use a different rental and I don't shoot often so I shouldn't be classified as other than an occasional shooter.



On 1/28/09 I used an S&W M&P 9mm with good results. On one target I had 13 shots in a 7 in. group at 15 feet, with 7 of them in the black which is 4 1/2 in. I normally shoot as fast as I can point-n-pull.







That may not be so good, but shooting that way I also can shoot at and hit moving targets, move and shoot, and even shoot at aerials (with an airsoft pistol and pop cans tossed in the air).
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