MaddMax

Nothing like a good ol' break in to get things working and have fun doing it.

JoshInGA

I went through 500 rounds before I knew it. Too easy to shoot well with this gun. Double taps and rapid fire were fairly easy to keep on target.

Spooky

I know what you mean...I ran 485 rounds through my first (of eventually 2) FS MP40 my first day working with it. By the time I got to the last rounds in the last box I had with me that day, I was a bit sad panda (ammo cost notwithstanding...lol).

KRWeiss

We put thousands of rounds through our first M&P before doing the trigger job on Burwell's site. Even though the trigger had smoothed out considerably, the additional investments in time and money have easily been worth it.

When APEX came out with thier kits, that changed the game entirely. Adding the FSS Trigger made my M&P40 into a completely new weapon that far exceded my original expections. Every time I pull that trigger, I apreciate it more.

JoshInGA

The only worry I have about making changes to the trigger is this is a nightstand gun/carry gun in the winter, and god forbid it was to be used in a defensive application, I dont want anything changed from stock that a lawyer could twist into making the gun "less safe", and therefore my use of it negligent.

KRWeiss

Do you have ANY case law on which you base these (seemingly irrational) fears?

I have been intently looking for any case where responsible modification changed a good defensive shooting into a bad one, almost to the point of offering a $1000 reward. I worked as a research assistant for a Superior Court Justice in San Diego, CA and have used resources available in that office to search for any relevent cases to no avail.

JoshInGA

Irrational? This article sums up my feelings on the matter: Why Farago (And You) Shouldn't Modify A Self-Defense Gun's Trigger | The Truth About GunsThe Truth About Guns

This is pretty good too:
Gun Modifications

While we are on the subject of gun selection, let’s address how modifications play to a jury.

The first big issue concerns reducing trigger pull weight. The industry standard for a self-defense weapon’s trigger pull is four to five pounds or greater. Lining up a dozen self-defense experts to make that point in court would be no problem: we could trot out the FBI’s choice of weapon for their Hostage Rescue Team or cite agency after agency issuing the Glock handgun with the standard trigger pull weight of five pounds.

If the shooter uses a handgun with a trigger pull weight of under five pounds, they have opened the door slightly to a charge of negligence or recklessness, because they ignored the industry standard. Depending on the facts of the case, it might not be hard to defeat that argument, if the ultimate issue didn’t center on an accidental or negligent discharge of the weapon and solid logic backed using the lesser trigger pull.
From:Choosing Self Defense Guns

In the national opinion, and a court of law, I think it is not uncommon for people to view the person with the gun as the "bad guy". The situation is already bad enough, I dont want the judge and jury to think that I had modified my gun in any way to make it "easier to kill" so to speak.

Look, that is just how I feel about it, legally speaking would you probably get off scot free even with a hair trigger? Most likely. I just want everything possible that I can have on my side.

KRWeiss

Take just a moment to reconsider my information request:

"... any case where RESPONSIBLE modifications...". I'm not convinced your characterization of "hair trigger" qualifies as responsible, and that's not what APEX is offering in either their DCAEK or FSS trigger kit.

So... in lieu of case law, you got nothing. Not suprised, since I couldn't find any either.

P.S. The M&P Pro has a trigger weight of 4 - 5 1/2 lbs., what they (and thier lawyers) consider to be a responsible trigger weight. Don't believe me? Check their website.

palmettostate

Bravo KRWeiss.

My favorite part is "So... in lieu of case law, you got nothing."


Classic!!!

JoshInGA

As I said before, after something like a DGU I dont want to give the prosecution anything they can point to and say, oh, well he was just waiting to kill someone. You think what you want.

P.S. No need to be an ass about it. Its called an opinion. You can take yours and ram it back down your own throat.

Sevens

If you ever are put in the situation where you have to shoot someone to protect yourself, best make sure your are the "only guy" at the courthouse.


Curious, would using a conversion barrel (say 357 in a 40 or vice-versa), also cause similar issues with the jury/lawyers?

jasonuscg

Think about a platform like the T/C Arms Encore with it's over 94 available chambered interchangeable long gun barrels in rimfire, centerfire, muzzle-loader and shotgun. Would it really make a difference which one is used to defend oneself with?