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This is a discussion on first trip to range with m&p9 within the MP Range Reports forums, part of the Smith & Wesson MP Forum category; Originally Posted by mclabop First time I've heard of the dot torture drill or seen that target. I'm going to have to try that. Thanks ...


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Old December 14th, 2013, 02:35 PM   #16
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First time I've heard of the dot torture drill or seen that target. I'm going to have to try that. Thanks for sharing!
Yea they have some great drills on there for you to try out.

I ordered a bunch of cases of federal HST 124 grain to run through my gun the next time I go to the range. If I like it I am going to stop with the hornady critical duty and start carrying the federal.

If not next week then after the new year I will report back here and share some more.
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Old December 15th, 2013, 04:51 AM   #17
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I don't know about all Federal ammo, but Federal Guard dog ammo looks like this just from being in the mags. Not cycling rounds etc. They even sent replacement when I contacted them and the same thing happened. So I burned them up at the range and they all went bang, but the denting just under where the bullet was set bothered me.

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Yea they have some great drills on there for you to try out.

I ordered a bunch of cases of federal HST 124 grain to run through my gun the next time I go to the range. If I like it I am going to stop with the hornady critical duty and start carrying the federal.

If not next week then after the new year I will report back here and share some more.
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Old December 15th, 2013, 05:14 AM   #18
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That guard dog is the 105gr hp? I hear great things about the hst/hydro-shock two as a defensive load. That shouldn't be denting the case just from loading it in mags. I don't have any experience with it so I'm not sure if that's normal for that line or their products. I'll definitely post up how I make out after I receive those rounds.
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Old December 15th, 2013, 09:02 AM   #19
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in 40 cal it is 135gr. Item # PD40GRD in any event, it bothered me.

Shouldn't be denting but it was, they never replied why it happened when I sent it back, just sent replacement plus some free and it did the same thing. So out it went!!! And it wasn't in there that long. Like I said before, not like I was cycling the rounds a lot either.

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Old December 21st, 2013, 02:31 PM   #20
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update:3rd range trip

Took the missus today we ran 100 rounds of wwb 115gr, 50 rounds of precision cartridge 115gr, 90 rounds of federal premium hst 124gr standard pressure and 25 rounds rounds of critical duty. Once again ate everything. I noticed tonight my finger slides around on the trigger a bit I'm thinking I might need a bigger palm swell to keep that from happening. I'm not inaccurate but I'm not getting as tight or consistent groupings each time.
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I had the same problem with my finger moving on the trigger. Granted I have the polymer Aek trigger from apex but I took the hot iron to it and added some texture and it works great now.
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Old December 22nd, 2013, 04:38 AM   #22
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Hmm interesting point. I swapped the grips out last night I'll see if that makes the difference if not I could do something similar. I do eventually want to look into the different apex triggers available. That seems to make a great difference for people.
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I have the issue with the trigger finger, using the small backstrap, my finger is way to far inside the trigger guard. I tried the medium at 1st but switched. I have average size hands, but if I use the med-large backstrap, my thumb won't reach the mag release.

So I just train with my trigger finger as the focus for proper placement and such.

May have to revisit and see if the med backstrap is more appropriate. Although at this point I'm not Buffalo Bill Cody, but I can hit what I aim at, and I don't want to back pedal.
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I have the issue with the trigger finger, using the small backstrap, my finger is way to far inside the trigger guard. I tried the medium at 1st but switched. I have average size hands, but if I use the med-large backstrap, my thumb won't reach the mag release.

So I just train with my trigger finger as the focus for proper placement and such.

May have to revisit and see if the med backstrap is more appropriate. Although at this point I'm not Buffalo Bill Cody, but I can hit what I aim at, and I don't want to back pedal.
I ran into that same problem at first and I think that is why I went with the small palm swell to start.

As far as I can tell the cartridges of hst did not show any denting from loading them and unloading them in my magazines so I'm not sure if you just had a bad batch or it is the guard dog line.
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Not sure either, may be Guard dog line as you stated? 1st batch came from Bass pro shop in Fort Myers, the replacements came direct from Federal. They wanted them back and sent a shipping label, then sent replacements that did the same exact thing. The replacements did exactly the same thing.

Hence I switched to Hornady Critical Defense. No problems since, and they have been cycled/rotated also as kind of a maintenance so I'm not always cycling the same round into the chamber when I remove mag for range etc. Doesn't seem to be an issue on the cases or any setback so far. ( I have not miked them just eye balled)


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I ran into that same problem at first and I think that is why I went with the small palm swell to start.

As far as I can tell the cartridges of hst did not show any denting from loading them and unloading them in my magazines so I'm not sure if you just had a bad batch or it is the guard dog line.
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Well another range trip yesterday and I ran another 200 rounds through the gun and of course no issues whatsoever. The medium palm swell I think helped me with some of the trigger jerking/flinching however I was still shooting more of a pattern than a group. To date 815 rounds no issues.

2014 I would like to take a training course and work on fundamentals and basic skills in an effort to help me improve my shooting. Hopefully I can make that happen.
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good day for guns

So I realize this isn't a range trip per say however I am going to keep updating here with any mods I make as I keep shooting In the future.

After much debate and trying to figure out if I wanted to go with an apex kit (and which one at that) I decided I would buy the USB and hard sear. My gun is a Mass compliant model with a 10pound trigger weight and as much as the pull has smoothed out I decided I would go ahead with these upgrades.

Currently my gun has 815 rounds through it and has been quite reliable. I am going to see if I can get a trigger gauge reading before and after the swap and will post back here with those numbers and my impressions.

Also found 300 rounds of wwb 115gr at Walmart today that came home with me. Next range trip will either be tomorrow or next weekend depending on how things pan out as I also have 100 rounds of 124gr speer gold dot that I would like to test out before making the switch from federal hst for my normal carry load.
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Yea they have some great drills on there for you to try out.

I ordered a bunch of cases of federal HST 124 grain to run through my gun the next time I go to the range. If I like it I am going to stop with the hornady critical duty and start carrying the federal.

If not next week then after the new year I will report back here and share some more.
Good idea...

A lot of the guys that do terminal performance testing are "critial" of the Critical Defense ammo. I guess the Critical Duty is a bit better. The Fedral HST Bonded is pretty much the industry standard now with Gold Dot.

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A couple of updates.

I have 2 more range sessions under my belt in the past couple of weeks since my last update and my shooting has improved markedly from where I started out. I am getting consistent groupings of 2-3 inches at 7yds and working on maintaining my sight picture and not checking the target in between shooting. Once I realized I was doing it I have caught myself more and more and make an effort not to.

Today I wore my normal concealment clothes to the range and worked on reloads while either transitioning from near or far targets. I loaded a small random amount of rounds in all my mags, kept two mags on my belt in their normal carry position and reloaded and would transition to the different targets. It was different than just standing and shooting at paper and forced me to work on sight acquisition, speed, transitioning distance and reloads.

Tonight I installed the apex hard sear and the USB. I did some dry fire after the install, the sear was tricky when it came time to fit the shb back into the frame but otherwise it went smooth and I did not need to make any adjustments to the trigger bar loop.

The difference is quite noticeable from stock, my mass compliant trigger is no longer heavy and feels like it is hitting a wall at the break. The apex sear makes for a smooth break and there is no more grit. IMO my trigger had smoothed out substantially since I purchased it however the difference is much greater now. I don't know if I find the difference so noticeable due to the mass compliant trigger versus the noncommunist state triggers that are available.

If I can get a measurement since the install of the trigger weight I certainly will. Life to date I have 1215 rounds through my m&p9 and no issues or malfunctions. I am really pleased with the gun and I am so glad I went this way over the other guns I considered.
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Good idea...

A lot of the guys that do terminal performance testing are "critial" of the Critical Defense ammo. I guess the Critical Duty is a bit better. The Fedral HST Bonded is pretty much the industry standard now with Gold Dot.

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Yes good post Jeff. I read Doc's spreadsheet and test data for picking a carry round around when I purchased the hst initially.

I find that hornady is always in stock at my local bass pro and when I got started shooting my buddy highly recommended it. Since reading the testing I was using federal hst 124gr and have found that to be much more expensive than the speer gold dot 124gr. I ran 100 rounds of speer gold dot through my gun to test it out before using it and I had no issues with it so I've been carrying that and keeping the hst as my rainy day supply.
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