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Old August 25th, 2015, 03:33 PM   #16
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~4" group at 10 yards
This expectation is realistic, based on human ability you are being realistic.

If you are talking about defensive shooting, you never stay static, you need to get off the X... so where a bullseye shooter might do well as a sport, he most likely cant deploy his shots in a stress situation. Similar could be be said for practicinars of IDPA, where most movement is from firing point to firing point, actually firing ON THE MOVE is not commonly observed.

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Old September 13th, 2015, 11:55 AM   #17
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Same age, same shaky hands, same poor eyesight, feel your pain. I shoot MP 9 bought 3 years ago & still trying to shrink my groups. I have a recent target downloaded this pistol forum under "MP Accessories" & "MP Speedsights". Books by Ben Stoeger have helped somewhat with grip & trigger issues. The target shown from Home - MarksmanSKLZ | Shooting Targets & Drills if interested. My groups expand along with yardage but not in G56 level yet. Considering lessons at my local range. Never give up!
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Old September 13th, 2015, 02:09 PM   #18
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Sac, I like your realistic perception and applaud your desire to do better! You can never do too many classes or shoot too many rounds!
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Old September 13th, 2015, 03:53 PM   #19
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I have a new 5" Pro with an Apex 3lb trigger in it. I have a Ruger 22/45, that I can bench rest into 1.5 inch groups at 25 yards, but the Pro won't come close. I spent nearly two days at the range with it and a Glock 34, also with a 3lb trigger. Both guns shot the same sized groups, averaging 3 inches or slightly over and the best ammo was American Eagle 147 grain FMJ flat nose. 115 grain FMJ was a shotgun effect, with groups opening up 6 inches average and 124 wasn't much smaller. I even tried CCI Speer Lawman 147 grain FMJ and that ran about 4 inches or larger.
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Old September 13th, 2015, 06:09 PM   #20
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Frankly, I'm never happy with my accuracy. I always suck. Now that my practice is more aligned with defense, I really suck.
That said, I'm having a great time getting better shooting skills. At 55 my eyesight frustrates me. But a champion like Jerry Miculek is older and wears some pretty thick eyeglasses so I can work with what I have too.
My hands are OK still and after a couple magazines I settle into a 4-5" grouping at 20 yds. But that's with my MP45FS and slow, deliberate shooting. I'm sure I can get to a 3" and I'll be pretty happy with that.
For defensive shooting it's been a mild struggle to get a regular sight picture. The range I go to doesn't allow a full draw from holster so what I do is practice the motions from the point where the gun is un-holstered and pointed down range. Something like when I practiced low gun when shooting skeet. Some dry fire at home and live fire at the range to work out the kinks in those motions is working but at a slower pace than I'd like.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 01:34 PM   #21
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Correction: the diagnostic targets mentioned above were discovered in Jake Maloney's "How to Shoot a Handgun" and are available on Amazon by MarksmanSKLZ for either left or right handed shooters. 20 targets & 5 Dot Tortures for $15.99 list. $4 off if you use code SB4XXHVT (if still current). The book has good fundamental references for the beginner. I will refer back to his trigger control info and drills when my groups suffer.
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Old September 22nd, 2015, 08:35 PM   #22
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Tonight I shot about 60 rounds each through my Shield 9 and my FS 9 at 7 yards and I shot a couple of ~4" groups but mostly it was all closer to 6" groups. Of the 2 guns I shoot the Shield better. The trigger pull is a little heavier on the Shield but it is crisper, the FS is a little mushy. It will take a lot of practice to get much better and probably I need to find someone to give me some shooting lessons. However, my shooting days may be limited. My thumbs and shoulders are aching pretty badly because the shooting aggravates my arthritis. My son-in-law is going to the police academy now and if the arthritis gets much worse he may inherit the 9s. Hopefully I will be able to continue shooting my Ruger .22.
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I've struggled with "accuracy" the last few years. Been through several brands of handguns. The newer double stack semi auto handguns. Mostly the polymer framed type, but I did buy a steel framed double stack 9MM first.

I've been a 1911 guy since 1978, when I shot a raggedy old 1911A1 while trying out for (and making the battalion combat pistol team). I carried them on duty, off duty, road trips, etc. till 5 or 6 years ago.

When I started trying to move to the newer, smaller caliber double stack guns I remember my nephew asking me what was "wrong with me today". I was really frustrated. Then I got the idea of taking the 1911 to the range, too. I found out it wasn't me, it was the new gun.

Over the last few years I've gone through several brands and finally settled on one. It's not an M&P. My 9MM M&P shot pretty good groups. I was learning to be happy with it but had other issues and moved on.

Now I've had people actually tell me that they could shoot any handgun I have better than I can and all of them equally well. Oh well, I guess there's no reason for people to spend all that money have match guns tuned if all guns shoot equally well right out of the box. The fact is, some guns are more accurate than others. Two of the same brand and caliber and most of the time one will shoot better than the next one.

Sometimes you get really lucky and buy one that shoots really nice groups.

Sometimes you find a brand/bullet weight of ammo that helps your gun shoot better groups.

Sometimes you learn to shoot your pistol better.

My new every day carry pistol has impressed me so much I bought more of them (different calibers, different sizes/models). The group pictured is from the compact .40 S&W model at 12 yds. The two shots not in the same hole were my fault. I knew when the trigger broke the sights weren't in the right spot on the target (calling the shot - you should know where the sights were when it goes bang). That gun shoots so well I bought another one in 9MM. First trip to the range I had to shoot 3 shots to see the hole getting big enough to tell me the second shot went into the same hole. I think I have a picture of that one, too. Yes, during the next 16 rounds the group deteriorated, but that was my fault, I'm not above excitement/stress. The better a group starts, the harder it is for me to maintain it.

Anyway, 13 shots from the .40 S&W pistol at 12 yds. These are 135 grain Nosler hollow points over about 11 grains of Blue Dot powder. Big bang, big flash, people ask what the hell that was, kind of loads (slow powder/compressed load/pressure is not max due to slow burning powder). Was I satisfied with this group? Mostly. It could have been better. I screwed that group up. I know it was me. It would not have had the two flyers had I not screwed it up myself. I don't think you should ever "be satisfied" or you'll quit trying to improve your skills.



Here's the first 3 shots from the 9MM.



I'm sold on them. You can get a "bad" gun from any maker. Usually I'll buy a second one if I'm not real happy with the first one, to give it a chance.

My second XDM shoots better than my first (same caliber).

My first M&P shoots better than my second (different calibers).

As an example, you get better/worse sometimes.

Sometimes you find a gun that fits your hand better and shoots better for you. Don't stop looking/trying till you find the one that is the best for you.
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M1A4ME; Last week, I shot my M&P 9 Compact, using 147 grain ammo for the first time and was surprised that I was able to slow fire, quarter sized groups at 7 yards with it. You never know, till you try something new.
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Slow fire at 7 yards I can put 15 rounds in a 2 1/2 circle. Been shooting for over 40 years.
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Yeah, my M&P FS 9MM did it's best with 147 grain ammo. I loaded up a bunch for it. My new pistol doesn't like 147 grain much. It does much better with 115 grain hollow points.

You really need to try different brands/weights/styles of ammo to see if one (or more) just "click" with your gun. Sometimes a change in ammo takes a turd and turns it into a real sweet shooting gun.
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This expectation is realistic, based on human ability you are being realistic.

If you are talking about defensive shooting, you never stay static, you need to get off the X... so where a bullseye shooter might do well as a sport, he most likely cant deploy his shots in a stress situation. Similar could be be said for practicinars of IDPA, where most movement is from firing point to firing point, actually firing ON THE MOVE is not commonly observed.

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Actually; we routinely shoot while moving forward, backwards, right to left, left to right, while weaving among non-threats, and diagonally, both to the left and right, while both advancing and retreating.
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Old October 2nd, 2015, 12:42 PM   #28
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Here's my latest effort: 7 yds, standing, two-handed grip, slow-fire, using my reloads and some factory ammo. Seems I have reached a "plateau" in accuracy so have scheduled a lesson at my local range to improve. Eventually would like to be able to "call" my shots or at least know where they are going. 15 yds is probably my farthest distance and put anything in the circles.
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Old November 26th, 2015, 06:11 PM   #29
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JoeAnn: Find another lady to shoot with if you can. Have fun, enjoy the time shooting. Your groups will improve with time. See if someone at the range will help you with your technique.
It makes me proud to think you are learning a new thing. If this is for defense, talk to others, ask for their ideas and thoughts on shooting and self defense. Make it fun every way you can and you will love it. If you can afford it, find a 22 cal. pistol to practice with as well. Your arthritis will thank you. Keep the other pistol for self defense and shoot it when ever you are able.
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How much practice does it take to shoot well? The answer is...as much as possible, and generally speaking, the more you practice, and work on your weak points, the better you will do.

I started shooing Bullseye, that's the very formal one handed shooting for precision, back in 1968 when I turned 21. I have always been a good shot, handgun or rifle, and qualified Expert, and stayed in that level, shooting scores ran generally at the high end of the Expert range, loading on a single stage press I just couldn't produce enough ammo to practice enough to advance further. Did that for a number of years, finally got burned out and quit, went several years only shooting maybe once a year at most.

I had known the Sheriff for a long time, he came to me because he knew that I had some skills he needed, and he asked me to join the Reserve. Before too long I had to close my business, not long after went to full time Deputy. When I went to the academy they said they would give a trophy for top shot, I figured I had that made, and shot a perfect score and won the trophy. Decided to start shooting PPC competitively, knew practice was the key and bought a Dillon so I could reload in quantity. Qualified as Expert and after a while worked up to Master class.

Back to the question I posed earlier, how much practice does it take? Preparing for competition season and during that season I averaged 1,000 rounds a week, and I reloaded all my own ammo. It took that 1,000 rounds a week to work up to Master and then be competitive in that class.

It takes a lot of dedication to do that, most people can't do that, but the whole point is that how good you can shoot takes a bit of inherent talent, and a lot of practice, and how good you shoot is directly related to how much you practice.
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