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2nd indoor range trip (Feb. 25): Tested a new training techniques

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Old February 25th, 2017, 07:05 PM   #1
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2nd indoor range trip (Feb. 25): Tested a new training techniques

Hi all,

Back from my second trip to my local indoor range with my FS M&P9 and it still impresses me. Only gun I've ever fired that was more solid feeling were metal-framed revolvers. Fast and easy sight alignment, excellent recoil control. It's just great.

I wanted to share this video of a practice drill I thought of. My indoor range trips have been getting boring because it's now no longer difficult for me to shoot a tight group at 3, 6 and 9 yards. I have the isometric balanced grip in a stable Weaver stance, equal height and equal light sight picture and trigger control figured out under controlled circumstances: a well lit, non-moving target while I'm standing still, directly facing it. When it was difficult, I needed all 10+1 rounds to master it but after a few minutes of warming up, it's not hard.

So I wanted to do something that felt more engaging, yet practical. They don't allow double taps, usually, which I'd love to practice since it's hard to get that second shot to be just as disciplined as the first. There's Limited moving and shooting in an indoor range, but hopping from side to side is neither realistic, nor interesting. Just exhausting. But then I got the idea of cycling through my magazines by loading just one round. In other words, shoot-reload-shoot as fast as I could do so without: 1) missing the mag well, 2) improperly racking the slide, or 3) below combat-accurate shots on target.

That ended up being a Lot of fun. On my second set of 25 shots, I had a Pretty good pattern:

(See attached image.)

Once I had gotten comfortable with the drill, I took some video:


I've only been at this for a year, so I'm pretty sure my technique and speed look silly compared to what some of you might be used to, especially if you have a military or law enforcement background. But, I feel really proud of myself for having come this far regardless. And I am Really enjoying this!
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Old February 25th, 2017, 08:47 PM   #2
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IMO, that's a good and valuable drill. If you have a timer you can gauge your progress. That drill can be practiced at home with empty mags. Under 2 seconds is reasonable for the last shot and a mag change, next shot. A timer will track that and give you a random start beep.

I'm not seeing your forefinger, but if it's at the front of the mag, hands find hands and the forefinger there will allow you to find the magwell easily. You're doing good, but you can be faster. You'll get there, but not at all bad now. :-) I want to see lightning. Yeah, you can do it. Dry firing has a huge benefit since you can see what your sights are doing as the hammer falls and it programs your trigger finger and the prep for the trigger. IMO trigger prep is crucial to the final act if you plan to put the round on target. While practicing for speed don't forget the basics. The trigger is basic. A fast miss is meaningless. Only hits count.

What a shame you can't find a range where you can practice more. Have you considered taking up USPSA shooting? One doesn't take it up because one is good, but to get better and to add stress to the shooting equation. Check out their website but also be aware that most folks shoot box stock guns and not the open "race" guns that many folks like to video and post.

FWIW, the USPSA site has a range finder where you might be able to find a range near you that allows real "stuff".
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Old February 25th, 2017, 10:33 PM   #3
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You are a VERY good observer. You couldn't see it very well on the video, but your analysis is amazingly accurate. Indeed, I'm gripping the mag by the base plate and trying to point the tip into the well instead of holding the whole thing, and using my index finger to guide it in as I should. And, on my follow-up shots, I have a tendency to let go of the trigger instead of holding it down, and only allowing it to advance in order to reset and take the next shot.

I am actually investing a very awesome looking dry-fry practice program to improve my speed with accuracy very soon because I agree, once you're over the shock of the recoil/muzzle flip (which is nearly nothing on a 9mm M&P), it's about trigger discipline.

I have also considered joining USPSA because getting better at "realistic" technique like shooting and moving is extremely appealing to me. I don't want to feel like I don't know what I'm doing unless I'm standing perfectly still. I've read up on their program and indeed know that you don't need a suped up 1911 to compete. I would Love to run my stock FS M&P9 in a match in my area.

I know that as fast as I was on this video (even I was kind of amazed), I can Definitely get better!
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Old February 26th, 2017, 05:31 AM   #4
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You would be amazed at the # of folks who show up with stock handguns, at least here in Maine. I don't know about other areas but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't the same. After all, under the skin we're all pretty much the same. Too, just show up. Local matches are all about treating noobs gently to get them introduced to the game. Everyone shooting the game today was once just as green as you are, some of us still are.

Ha! The first match I showed up for I had squat for gear. I was shooting a box stock 1911. I had plenty of magazines, but they were in a mix of WW1 flap mag pouches and a camo Uncle Mikes, and my gun was in a flap holster. I would open the flaps and tuck them under my belt One mag was in a pocket. It rained cats and dogs almost the entire time and despite that, or maybe because of it, I had fun. But you talk about a Sad Sack with gear! Anyway I got through it. I don't shoot much better today, but my gear is better suited and more sophisticated.

I introduced a friend to the game, he DQed, but that's another story. Anyway, on the way home he asked me,"And you like that?". My brother on the other hand took to it like a duck takes to water. Neither of us are the best shooters (Many aren't, the Max' of the world are few and far between) but we enjoy the day out with other shooters of all skill levels and it brings an element of stress to our shooting that can't be done at home punching paper.

Seriously, throw caution to the wind and just go to one. Let people there know that you're new. They'll figure it out anyway, but they'll be best able to help if you let them know. You don't even need to join USPSA, that's only if you want to get classified.
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Old February 26th, 2017, 07:49 AM   #5
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We have new shooters show up at our IDPA practices almost every week, and whatever squad I SO at the monthly match always has at least one (and usually more) new shooter who's never shot IDPA before.

New shooters are always welcomed, and taken under the wings of the more experienced members, to ensure that they both learn and have a good time.
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