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Old October 6th, 2010, 12:42 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by FUNDAMENTALS' post='274266' date='Oct 6 2010, 11:56 AM
"FIREARMS AND EXPOSURE TO LEAD."

"The exposure to lead on the firing line occurs as soon as the shooter pulls the trigger and the hammer

falls. This action causes the primer of the cartridge in the chamber to explode, which ignites the main

powder charge. At this point a breathable cloud of lead particles is expelled into the air, with lead

dust spraying the shooters hands. Lead particles also shear off as the bullet travels through the

barrel. When the bullet exits the barrel, a second cloud of contaminates in the form of muzzel blasts

bursts into the air. Then as the bullet strikes the impact area, another contaminated cloud rises.

When inhaled, lead particles go directly into the lungs and are quickly absorbed into the blood-

stream. The blood then transfers the lead to the soft body tissues and bone. Heat from smoking,

sweating, or physical activity accelerates this process.

Lead can also settle on the skin and hair and eventually be absorbed through the pores of the skin.

If lead particles reach the mouth, they can be ingested into the digestive system."

Handling food, cigarettes, etc., with unscrubbed hands transfers the lead directly to the mouth.

So, wash your hands, shower later. Lead is toxic and hazardous, avoid health issues.


That to me sounds like just more BS from the government. It might have happened back in the cowboy and Indian days when shooting black powder and lead bullets. Most all ammunition shot today are copper jacketed bullets. When my bullet strikes the impact area it buries itself in a pile of dirt, causing a cloud of dirt dust...not lead dust. This whole topic sounds like a bunch of BS from the anti-gun crowd...the same stupid people trying to outlaw the use of lead in bullets as well as fishing sinkers and lures. If you fear being contaminated by the lead in guns, take up a new hobby...like cooking. Interesting that most of the posts in this topic are from "Newb's"
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Old October 6th, 2010, 01:54 PM   #17
 
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Originally Posted by FUNDAMENTALS' post='274266' date='Oct 6 2010, 11:56 AM
...At this point a breathable cloud of lead particles is expelled into the air, with lead

dust spraying the shooters hands. Lead particles also shear off as the bullet travels through the

barrel....
see, i'm not understanding how lead particles are expelled into the air, when the lead bullet is encased in a copper jacket. and how are lead particles sheared off the bullet as it travels down the barrel if the bullet is encased in a copper jacket? and when the bullet strikes the impact area - that's 25 yards down range, unless i'm using the outdoor range. then it's over 100 yards down range.



perhaps that was written before they invented full metal jackets.
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For those concerned with small levels of lead, consider adding an extra vitamin C tablet to your daily regimine. It can reduce the levels of lead and reduce absorbtion into the bloodstream. A blood test couldn't hurt.



If you're experiencing any symptoms like a metalic taste in your mouth, kidney infection, weak hands, or if you see a blue/grey line on your gums right along teeth, see a doctor. Taking vitamins is not in leiu of seeing a doctor, these symptoms call for more action, like chelation therapy.



That said, how many of you guys see a blue line on your gums?
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see, i'm not understanding how lead particles are expelled into the air, when the lead bullet is encased in a copper jacket. and how are lead particles sheared off the bullet as it travels down the barrel if the bullet is encased in a copper jacket? and when the bullet strikes the impact area - that's 25 yards down range, unless i'm using the outdoor range. then it's over 100 yards down range.



perhaps that was written before they invented full metal jackets.


A good portion of fmj practice ammo has lead exposed at the rear of the bullet. Some vaporization occurs here I'm sure. I've shot some cheap Federal from Wallyworld that was only plated, and not jacketed. The plating was shearing off the bullet and these rounds were noticably smokier. I wash my hands after I shoot or clean a firearm, but lead poisoning has never been something I feared. Your odds of death from a car accident driving to the range are probably 400x your chances of dying from lead.
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I've shot some cheap Federal from Wallyworld that was only plated, and not jacketed.
According to their website Federal plated ammo only comes in .22, we mostly talk about M&P pistols here

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The plating was shearing off the bullet and these rounds were noticably smokier.
Although the gun powder they use may be "smokier", lead (in the quantities we're talking about) would add very little to that perception.
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I get more poison in my bloodstream while waiting for a bus in Manhattan than at a shooting range.

To be fare, I shoot outdoors only and I always wear gloves while shooting or cleaning the weapon.
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According to their website Federal plated ammo only comes in .22, we mostly talk about M&P pistols here



Although the gun powder they use may be "smokier", lead (in the quantities we're talking about) would add very little to that perception.


The ammo I'm referring to is .40 s&w. I've recovered some of these bulles after firing and the copper jacket is stripped off where the rifling tore through it. No problems with any other ammo.
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According to their website Federal plated ammo only comes in .22, we mostly talk about M&P pistols here


I can't find a listing of 9mm Champion branded ammo on their website. The internet rumor is that Champion 9mm & 40 S&W is a Wal-Mart exclusive deal. It does say that it's plated right on the box along with a warning against using it in ported or compensated guns.
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My wife is a n internal medicine MD, so she's looking for this kind of information since I'm reloading for two (let's say 50000+ rounds in a year).



She found a few studies on this topic, so "ok if you shoot outdoor, levels in indoor ranges are a bit higher". I'll ask her for the full docs.



I've just finished reading an interview with Fiocchi ammuition CEO, he is worried about low sales of lead free ammunitions.

Here in Italy we are now scared for another "freedom gift" (Berlusconi's party was originally called house of freedoms, now simply berlusconi). They are trying to forbid home reloading (or need to ask for an undefinedl license to do it). I'm waiting for a lead ban and/or a reloading ban.



This ban started from EU stating we should have more freedoms in gun policies. Each country had to write his own laws. This is our freedom!



I'm more worried about bullets than lead. And more by politicians than by bullets.



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from the country in which 9x19 is banned...
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I was raised in a home built in the mid 1920's and Lead was EVERYWHERE. Paint especially. Dust too. Abestoes? Certainly. By god I should be unable to sire children, unable to function or even dead by now according to the bleeding hearts in EPA.



When I shoot, all I ask is that the inside range fans are on. Otherwise I shoot at the Police range outdoors in the wind.



My ammuntion is Speer with Nickel Cases, copper and chemical hollow points. The shotguns have shells with brass on one end and plastic at the other to let out the slug. When I am cleaning any weapon, I do so outside wearing a mask and nitrile gloves.



I am pretty sure I am accumulating a little bit of lead. But I no longer care.



I USED to keep a bag of shotgun SHOT with hopes of learning to reload. I learned that bag on the house floor in the work room was more of a liability and it was sold off.



Lead rounds from Living History weapons of the Civil War will shatter your bones to the point of requiring a amputation, lead posioning is the least of your worries. Your most immediate worry is infection inflicted by the incoming round that carries toxins, and bad things as it entered your body and blood stream. I walked Battlefields where I am pretty certain that there is plenty of lead in the grounds.



Wash hands? Yes. Change and wash clothes? Sure. After all when it's time to go, you might as well go clean right?
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Greetings,



I know this is an old topic but do any of you fish? Use sinkers or how about the shot that folks would bite with their teeth to close ENJOY!!
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I wash my hands at the range if possible, if not, then its the first thing I do when I get home. I dont worry about airborne lead exposure, even when shooting on a range indoors, since they are well ventilated. When I clean my guns I wear latex gloves, to minimize solvent on my hands but I guess it protect against lead as well. I also crack the door in my garage and open a side door for a bit of ventilation.



The only serious lead exposure I've ever heard of from shooting was in a book I read about Special Operations guys who shot thousands of rounds a day in a shooting house. I havent ever heard of a casual shooter getting lead exposure from breathing the air at a range.



Lead is scary, dont eat it. Thats the only way I would really worry about exposure.
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Old January 31st, 2012, 10:30 AM   #28
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I know this is an old topic but do any of you fish? Use sinkers or how about the shot that folks would bite with their teeth to close ENJOY!!


Like an idiot, as a teenager this was my method for affixing weights to my fly line. Stupid stupid stupid. Didnt get out fishing too often so hopefully no real exposure happened. Fingers crossed.
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We up grew in Ft Worth early '40s. Lived in an asbestos covered house, that was uptown during that time frame (the house is still standing). Played with mercury cause we didn't have much else to play with. Use to remove .22 bullets from the shell casing with our teeth.



Shot and handled firearms as a kid and still do. My Dad and I did a lot of bird hunting, dove and quail. Nothing smells as good as a shot shot gun casing when they are ejected.



Wife and I shoot a lot mostly in an indoor range which I've been going to since '87.



NAM didn't kill me. Yes we do wash our hands after shooting more of a habit working in hospitals for over 40 years and still working.



Point is you are going to die anyway whether it's, lead, heart, cancer or a Mac truck runs over you. Do what you like and enjoy your life.
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http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/wp-sol...s/2010-113.pdf



This is the CDC's report. It is mainly common sense.

1. Range needs good ventalation

2. Hearing PPE is a must

3. Workers cleaning the range need to wear repirators when they are around vents and spent bullets

4. Wash your hands (albeit on study questions the value of this)



After working in industry, I don't see any of these a particular problem.
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