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|November 20th, 2012, 06:34 PM||#1|
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Middle of Ohio
Is Your Gun More or Less Accurate After Cleaning?
Have you paid close attention to accuracy after cleaning? I'm not talking about a leaded barrel. Just normal GSR. At my range, it's about 50 / 50 more accurate to less accurate. I notice that I'm less accurate.
|November 21st, 2012, 12:53 AM||#2|
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Northen VA
To be honest, I do not know how dirty it has to be to affect accuracy.
A normal range visit for me entails firing on average 200-250 rounds after which the gun gets cleaned. I have not noticed any decrease in accuracy during my range visits.
I have read a few articles written on this topic. In every case it was shown that accuracy suffers when a gun was not cleaned.
|November 21st, 2012, 02:17 AM||#3|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St Petersburg, FL
Are we talking physical accuracy drop off, or fatigue drop-off?
I doubt the effects of a normal accumulation of GSR during a shooting session would effect accuracy at normal pistol ranges. In a precision rifle, a dirty barrel may drop your accuracy from 1MOA to 2MOA at 100 yards, but we're talking a 20"+ barrel at 100-200 yards! Not a 4-5" barrel at 10-15 yards!
I know my accuracy use to drop off when I shot for groups years ago, but it was due to fatigue/focus. I highly doubt you could physically measure barrel performance at normal pistol ranges. Maybe Bianchi Cup distances, from sand-bags... And maybe 1/2" loss of accuracy.
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|November 21st, 2012, 08:12 AM||#4|
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Mesa Arizona
My 45 will yield 1/2 inch groups at the beginning middle or end of a shooting session. I however tend to fade towards the end so have a friend do the test at end of session. From sand bags of course.
It matters not if I am using lead or jhp's.
|November 21st, 2012, 06:57 PM||#5|
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Colo Spgs CO
I often experience fairly wild variations in group sizes--just recently I did a 1" 5-shot group, then immediately did a couple of 1.7" groups. I seem to have a real problem maintaining the same eye focus, same sight picture, etc., and these variations would easily mask any small variations due to cleanliness of the gun.
In addition, I don't see a lot of difference between a bore with 20 rds through vs one with 2,000 rds through it...so I figure any effect of cleaning the bore, at least, is long gone before I'm through my first box of ammo. But, despite this experience, I still try to clean the guns every 2,000 rds or so, whether they're dirty or not. I don't think this strict regimen has had any accuracy benefits over not cleaning them at all, but I still like to have the large chunks cleared out of the small moving parts once in a while.
Last edited by Bongo Boy; November 21st, 2012 at 07:11 PM.
|March 2nd, 2013, 06:12 AM||#7|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Heat would probably be more of a factor than crud would. As the barrel heats up, its characteristics change somewhat. But that would be minute in a short pistol barrel.
|August 3rd, 2014, 04:16 PM||#8|
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Weeki Wachee, FL
I have owned guns in the past that would put the first round through a clean barrel a couple of inches away from where they'd group with a fouled barrel. Other than that, they've shot the same no matter how "reasonably" dirty they've gotten.
I've never exceeded 500 rounds between cleanings, and going that long was only at the manufacturer's direction (new Les Baer 1911).
Back in the IPSC days, we'd fire a fouling shot (in muzzle adding competitions too) before starting the first stage of the day.
I'm happy to say that I don't have that going on with any of my M&P's.
|August 4th, 2014, 04:59 AM||#10|
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: LA (Lower Alabama)
Have not noticed it in my M&Ps.
|August 4th, 2014, 05:40 AM||#11|
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Port Orange, FL
My accuracy is affected more by how many cups of coffee I've had.
But seriously, I tend to feel like my gun works better when its clean so I feel better about it, and that makes me shoot better. Through a session at the range, I can usually tell when the gun is getting dirty. I have a Sig 938 that I feel like I has to have its feed ramp wiped off every hundred rounds or so. But I have a 9c that seems like nothing affects it at all.
|August 4th, 2014, 08:22 AM||#12|
Join Date: Jul 2012
Shooting soft lead is about the only thing I've seen that can definitely affect your accuracy in one range session.
|August 4th, 2014, 01:57 PM||#13|
Join Date: Oct 2012
I've never noticed a difference.
If I shoot it, I clean it, maybe not tonight, but I'll get it in the morning at the latest.
The 9MM FS is more accurate than the .357 SIG/.40 S&W FS, but I've never really noticed a difference in the "big" gun either.
|August 5th, 2014, 06:22 AM||#14|
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Germantown, TN
It seems to me that my M&P 9 FS needs a mag or 2 down range to be the most accurate after a good cleaning.
|August 5th, 2014, 05:49 PM||#15|
Join Date: Feb 2013
For pistol distances I've never noticed a difference. I have to imagine that you would have a failure of some kind (FTF, FTE, etc.) due to fouling before you would see accuracy drop off.
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