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Old January 13th, 2015, 04:18 PM   #16
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I recently bought a new 9L (its production date was late 2012) that had a 7 lb gritty trigger, no better, probably worse than my original 2008 model. An Apex CAEK kit dropped the pull to 3 - 3.5 lbs and removed the gritty feel, although the travel is still long. Then added the Apex Polymer trigger and that shortens the travel, just a little but it's noticeable and pull weight dropped to 2.5-2.7 lbs. Now it's a very nice trigger and I use it for IPSC standard div.
The only problem I noticed was to do with timing. The striker block was not quite high enough to always allow the striker to freely pass, at the point where the sear releases. This will results in occassional lightstrikes.
By using the striker block from the Apex FSS kit (it has less of a rounded end) I can see the block is now clear at release point. You can check this by looking through the holes in the rear of the slide (with a good light) and note how much of the striker block is visible at the sear release point. Then with the slide off, push the striker forward while also moving the striker block and you will see how much of the striker block is showing when the striker can pass. That shows you how high the striker block needs to be at striker release point.

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Old January 15th, 2015, 08:38 AM   #17
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Not so sure about the triggers being better, I recently got a new CORE, it is a 2014 production, the stock pull weight is heavier and I'll swear the trigger pull is worse than on my original M&P I got in 2006. Even after installing the Apex sear and striker block the pull weight is still heavier than on my 2006 production pistol.
My stock M&P9 from '07 had a much better trigger pull than the one on a new M&P9 bought mid-2013. So much so, that I put a CAEK in the new one.

My 9c bought later last year did come with a better trigger than any M&P I've previously owned. So much so that all I put in it is the Apex striker block, and still have a pull a bit under 3 1/2 pounds.
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Old January 15th, 2015, 11:04 AM   #18
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Not so sure about the triggers being better, I recently got a new CORE, it is a 2014 production, the stock pull weight is heavier and I'll swear the trigger pull is worse than on my original M&P I got in 2006. Even after installing the Apex sear and striker block the pull weight is still heavier than on my 2006 production pistol.
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My stock M&P9 from '07 had a much better trigger pull than the one on a new M&P9 bought mid-2013. So much so, that I put a CAEK in the new one.

My 9c bought later last year did come with a better trigger than any M&P I've previously owned. So much so that all I put in it is the Apex striker block, and still have a pull a bit under 3 1/2 pounds.
Huh, I had just the opposite experience. I received a new C.O.R.E Pro long-slide (model 10098) last week, and it has by far the best trigger of my four M&P's. There's a lot of take up, but the break is crisp at probably 3.5 to 4 lbs, with almost no overtravel at all. Other than a frankly ridiculous amount of take-up, it's probably the best semiauto trigger I've got, other than my 1911's. Definitely better than any other pivoting-trigger guns that I have or have had. Not meaning to sound like a starry-eyed M&P fanboy, because the other three (two 9FS and one 9C, all from 2012 / 2013), have pretty average triggers. But this new one is just leaps & bounds ahead of the old ones.

{edit - in the interest of full disclosure, the new gun's trigger is impressions from dry-firing only. Plan to run it some tomorrow, but haven't fired it yet.}

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Old January 15th, 2015, 11:24 AM   #19
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I don't have a lot of experience as this is my first purchase. But I will say I shot my friends M&P 45c a while ago and comparing that to my new 40c, there is a big difference with feeling the reset and no grittiness.
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It's seems that our combined similar experiences note quite a range in the quality/weight of the "improved" trigger pulls of the newer guns.
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Old January 16th, 2015, 06:51 AM   #21
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I don't have a lot of experience as this is my first purchase. But I will say I shot my friends M&P 45c a while ago and comparing that to my new 40c, there is a big difference with feeling the reset and no grittiness.
Curious which direction you mean - the newer .40C being better or worse than the older 45C..?
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Old January 16th, 2015, 08:35 AM   #22
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Sorry. Yeah the newer 40c seems better than my friends 45c that was a couple of years old.
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Old January 16th, 2015, 02:05 PM   #23
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Guess it's just me but I never really liked the DCAEK in my 40c. I felt the trigger in the new 9c a couple of days ago and was impressed! So much so that I'm going to sell my 40c and pick up a new 9c!

+1 for the Apex FSS btw. Love the one on my full size!
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I have a new model MP 9 with 700 rounds through it, and a 2012 MP 9 with an AEK trigger, RAM and USB and must say the Apex trigger is far superior.
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I have a new model MP 9 with 700 rounds through it, and a 2012 MP 9 with an AEK trigger, RAM and USB and must say the Apex trigger is far superior.
Apex is easily better than revised factory trigger components.

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Old February 15th, 2015, 04:14 PM   #26
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+1 Avedis

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Old February 16th, 2015, 02:14 PM   #27
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The trigger in my cousin's M&P40 from 2012 is really good for a stock trigger. The trigger in the one I bought last month is terrible. Gritty and heavy out of the box. I did all of the polishing and radiusing and got rid of the grit, but the pull still sucks. I've worked on the sear angles (kind of half a$$ed knowing I can buy an Apex once I screw it up) and while its better and now breaks at the rear with no overtravel, its a little creepy and still heavy. I get jerky and hit low with it constantly. I can shoot every other gun just fine including the other M&P40 with the stock trigger. It will get an Apex kit next month, just haven't decided which. For what I will have in it after buying the trigger kit, in hindsight, I would have got something else. Likely a PPQ.
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I recommend splurging on an Apex Forward Set Sear & Trigger kit (FSS), but if that's too much then the cheaper Duty/Carry AEK still rocks. The difference between an older M&P trigger and the Duty/Carry kit is night and day, but the FSS is an even bigger improvement. The hardest part of the job is removing, re-installing and re-zeroing the rear sight. Youtube has plenty of videos showing you how to do the upgrade.
I must have an older trigger. Mine sucks. Like the gun...hate the trigger. I am going APEX
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