Titegroup and the M&P 9C

XRacer · November 26th, 2012, 09:42 AM

I just finished loading up some 45ACP and am now getting started with the 9. I'm using Titegroup, Winchester small pistol primers, 124gr Power Bond plated bullets at a COL of 1.135" what would a good starting point be for the 9C? I used 4.5grs in my PX4 Compact at 1.125" but that was a tad hot, not crazy but a little. Any suggestions? Some say the heavy plating of Power Bond can almost be loaded to jacketed specs.

OperatorX · November 26th, 2012, 12:14 PM

I'm using 3.2 Gr of Titegroup on 147 grain bullets through my 5" pro. Might be a good starting point for you. Load 20 and see how they run.

JeffWard · November 26th, 2012, 12:19 PM

I'd back your PX4 load off 4-6 tenths, and test from there.

What's your goal? IDPA/USPSA loads? Plinking ammo? The longer OAL should back the pressure off a BIT, but every gun/chamber is different. Check the plated bullets fired into wet newspaper or soft sand. They should hold together if you're shooting target-power loads.

Jeff

XRacer · November 26th, 2012, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffWard

I'd back your PX4 load off 4-6 tenths, and test from there.

What's your goal? IDPA/USPSA loads? Plinking ammo? The longer OAL should back the pressure off a BIT, but every gun/chamber is different. Check the plated bullets fired into wet newspaper or soft sand. They should hold together if you're shooting target-power loads.

Jeff

Plinking / practice with my EDC. Since I carry this I want the rounds to be resonably close in recoil to the carry ammo I use.

Smith Shooter · November 26th, 2012, 05:29 PM

I'm using 4.0 grains of Titegroup with a 124 gr lead cone nose bullet (COL = 1.150") for 1110 fps out of a 9 mm 5" Kimber 1911.

I'm using 4.4 grains of Titegroup with a 124 gr JHP bullet (same COL = 1.150") for 1140 fps in the same pistol.

Both loads are at Hodgdon's published maximums and show no signs of high pressure in the 1911 or my M&P9. The fact you are using them in a 9c is immaterial, a good load is a good load.

XRacer · November 27th, 2012, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smith Shooter

I'm using 4.0 grains of Titegroup with a 124 gr lead cone nose bullet (COL = 1.150") for 1110 fps out of a 9 mm 5" Kimber 1911.

I'm using 4.4 grains of Titegroup with a 124 gr JHP bullet (same COL = 1.150") for 1140 fps in the same pistol.

Both loads are at Hodgdon's published maximums and show no signs of high pressure in the 1911 or my M&P9. The fact you are using them in a 9c is immaterial, a good load is a good load.

True, a good load is... but, the PX4 was picky with the origional recoil spring. 4.0 and 4.2 would not cycle the action reliably 4.4 and 4.5 would and 4.6 showed signs of overpressure. Because of that I am a little worried about loads for a compact 9mm. Could be that I don't need to be with the M&P9C, just have to figure it out.

XRacer · January 2nd, 2013, 01:50 PM

Took ten rounds at 3.8grs of Titegroup with an OAL of 1.14" and ten at 4.2grs of Titegroup with the same OAL both 124grn powerbond FMJ(Powerbond are plated but a little thicker plate than Barry's or Ranier). Either would work but I chose the 4.2grs since it seems closer to my EDC rounds. Both shot well and only showed a little pressure in the form of flattened primers. I just loaded a hundred and will see in a week or so when I go to the range again. If all goes well I'll load up the rest.

John in ar · January 2nd, 2013, 02:23 PM

If you have a chronograph or can find one to borrow, it is an invaluable tool imo, when it comes to working up loads.

Plisken · January 12th, 2013, 05:03 PM

I use 3.8 grains of titegroup over a 124 gr lead round nose and some 115 fmj. Both seem to work well out of my 9c.

dww · January 22nd, 2013, 07:41 PM

4.2 grains with a 124 grain jhp makes power factor for IDPA in my full size M&P' s .and shoots great out of the 9c too.

tul9033 · February 16th, 2013, 09:53 AM

My last chrono on a MG 124gr JHP, 3.9gr Titegroup @ 1.10 OAL came out at 1070 fps with a M&P Pro. I've been loading them to 4.0gr to round em up. It's my competition load and is a good accurate load.

Plisken · February 17th, 2013, 05:23 AM

3.8 grains of titegroup here for 115 fmj and 124 grain lead cast bullets with good results im my 9c. With Winchester and cci small pistol primers when I can find them.

November 26th, 2012, 09:42 AM	#1
XRacer Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Akron, Ohio Posts: 107	Titegroup and the M&P 9C I just finished loading up some 45ACP and am now getting started with the 9. I'm using Titegroup, Winchester small pistol primers, 124gr Power Bond plated bullets at a COL of 1.135" what would a good starting point be for the 9C? I used 4.5grs in my PX4 Compact at 1.125" but that was a tad hot, not crazy but a little. Any suggestions? Some say the heavy plating of Power Bond can almost be loaded to jacketed specs. Last edited by XRacer; November 26th, 2012 at 09:45 AM.

January 22nd, 2013, 07:41 PM	#10
dww Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7	4.2 grains with a 124 grain jhp makes power factor for IDPA in my full size M&P' s .and shoots great out of the 9c too. Last edited by dww; January 22nd, 2013 at 07:45 PM.

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November 26th, 2012, 12:14 PM	#2
OperatorX Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Northeast Posts: 153	I'm using 3.2 Gr of Titegroup on 147 grain bullets through my 5" pro. Might be a good starting point for you. Load 20 and see how they run.

November 26th, 2012, 12:19 PM	#3
JeffWard Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: St Petersburg, FL Posts: 2,667	I'd back your PX4 load off 4-6 tenths, and test from there. What's your goal? IDPA/USPSA loads? Plinking ammo? The longer OAL should back the pressure off a BIT, but every gun/chamber is different. Check the plated bullets fired into wet newspaper or soft sand. They should hold together if you're shooting target-power loads. Jeff

November 26th, 2012, 05:29 PM	#5
Smith Shooter Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 195	I'm using 4.0 grains of Titegroup with a 124 gr lead cone nose bullet (COL = 1.150") for 1110 fps out of a 9 mm 5" Kimber 1911. I'm using 4.4 grains of Titegroup with a 124 gr JHP bullet (same COL = 1.150") for 1140 fps in the same pistol. Both loads are at Hodgdon's published maximums and show no signs of high pressure in the 1911 or my M&P9. The fact you are using them in a 9c is immaterial, a good load is a good load.

January 2nd, 2013, 01:50 PM	#7
XRacer Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Akron, Ohio Posts: 107	Took ten rounds at 3.8grs of Titegroup with an OAL of 1.14" and ten at 4.2grs of Titegroup with the same OAL both 124grn powerbond FMJ(Powerbond are plated but a little thicker plate than Barry's or Ranier). Either would work but I chose the 4.2grs since it seems closer to my EDC rounds. Both shot well and only showed a little pressure in the form of flattened primers. I just loaded a hundred and will see in a week or so when I go to the range again. If all goes well I'll load up the rest.

January 2nd, 2013, 02:23 PM	#8
John in ar Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Arkansas Posts: 182	If you have a chronograph or can find one to borrow, it is an invaluable tool imo, when it comes to working up loads.

January 12th, 2013, 05:03 PM	#9
Plisken Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Indiana Posts: 24	I use 3.8 grains of titegroup over a 124 gr lead round nose and some 115 fmj. Both seem to work well out of my 9c.

February 16th, 2013, 09:53 AM	#11
tul9033 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 47	My last chrono on a MG 124gr JHP, 3.9gr Titegroup @ 1.10 OAL came out at 1070 fps with a M&P Pro. I've been loading them to 4.0gr to round em up. It's my competition load and is a good accurate load.

February 17th, 2013, 05:23 AM	#12
Plisken Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Indiana Posts: 24	3.8 grains of titegroup here for 115 fmj and 124 grain lead cast bullets with good results im my 9c. With Winchester and cci small pistol primers when I can find them.