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Old November 30th, 2014, 01:24 PM   #1
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any input on this Powder?

Wife was looking all over and found this powder for our 9's.
Has anyone seen this. try it, or heard of it?
Feedback on them for delivery also...

She is chomping at the bitt like everyone else...

https://www.americanreloading.com/en...n-powder-.html
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Old November 30th, 2014, 05:30 PM   #2
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Never heard of Commercial #1, so not sure about finding reload data. I would recommend holding out for something else, especially at that price.
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Old November 30th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #3
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There is loading data on the same page as the powder, they show 2 loads for 9mm.
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Old November 30th, 2014, 07:37 PM   #4
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Never heard of it. Its a bit risky to buy something like that, and unknown powder. If you don't like it for any reason, and there can be a lot of reasons not to like a particular powder, you are stuck with it, big time! At the 9mm starting load you are looking at 14,000 rounds to use it up.

IMHO, to buy 8 lbs of any pistol powder, I would have to be shooting a hell of a lot of it, and I would have to be absolutely in love with that powder. As an example, back when I was still shooting competitively, I used Winchester 231 pistol powder, I was shooting and reloading 900 to 1,000 rounds per week in match season. I bought Win 231 in bulk, I used a lot of it and I really liked it. If you aren't shooting and reloading enough to go through that in a year, you probably shouldn't buy it, plus I still wouldn't buy it unless I had used it a lot and really liked it, which I doubt you have that kind of experience with it.

Another example, I bought a pound of Blue Dot to experiment with, thinking it would be a good powder for 9 and 40, its terrible in 40, TONS of unburned powder, I think it needs magnum loads and probably magnum primers, but for normal loads in 40 its not good, too much unburned powder and the inconsistent burning means excessive variables in velocity, sure glad I don't have 8 lbs of that!
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Old November 30th, 2014, 07:41 PM   #5
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I called them today but no one answered, but in 10 minutes one of the owners called me back and we talked. I do place an order. I also watched a video and read a little bit on them... hope all shoots well.
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Old November 30th, 2014, 10:42 PM   #6
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It's CSB-1 powder it looks like. I believe Rio uses it in their shotgun loads and people have taken to using it in pistol ammo since it's so damned hard to find the more popular powders .
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Old December 1st, 2014, 05:48 AM   #7
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Been reading half the night on it and you are right on the brand, they are from Spain and going to try to break into the USA with their brand Rio by the end of the year and first part of next.
It is as they say a dirty power, slower burn. Others are comparing it to universal and unique.

Looks like at this time everything is in the 8lb size.

This site bought in major bulk and is selling off in sellable sizes as he told me..

It is like in the 80's when I was buying Red Dot, bring in your own container they would sell by the pound.


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It's CSB-1 powder it looks like. I believe Rio uses it in their shotgun loads and people have taken to using it in pistol ammo since it's so damned hard to find the more popular powders .

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Old December 1st, 2014, 03:54 PM   #8
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Based on the various load weights this seems to be in the same "burning rate" range as WW231 or Hodgdon Titegroup and that price for 8 pounds is nothing special. I bought an 8-pound jug of Titegroup a few months ago for $111.
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Old December 1st, 2014, 07:20 PM   #9
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Man, with us every place that sells supplies has no pistol powder and does not expect any pistol powder. I have not found any online from the small resources I have.
As all of us in this area, if you could shoot dirt they would.... We know the day the loads come in and have workers watching for us also...

Wife and I have been buying win 9mm 100 count boxes at Wal-Mart to shoot and harvest the brass, but now she wants to start reloading and save the new rounds.. We are still new so it would be practice / target.
On some sites they say it is good, some say it is fare. but they are all saying, shoot what they can get for powder...

Will see. If we are lucky the powder will be good, and have others try it also in their 9, 38/357,40,45's. It has to work in something.... if not it can make some big ass b0mbs... kidding.....

Just gonna take the chance,,,, Just like buying a stock, win or loose.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 09:19 AM   #10
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Recobs Target Shop has CFE Pistol powder in stock.
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Old December 2nd, 2014, 11:29 AM   #11
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The powder shortage is still with us but it is easing up a bit here and there. I finally got my 8 pound jug of Red Dot on no-tax weekend at the local big box gun store. Exactly 1 year from when I last wanted to take advantage of the sale and wanted the same powder. Fortunately I had a decent supply to hold me over and had a good supply of already loaded shotshells to not need much reloading this year. They seem to be getting regular shipments of 1 pound Alliant Shotshell/Pistol powders (Red Dot, Unique, Bullseye, Power Pistol) and 8 pounders once in a while.

CSB-1 and CSB-5 are also becoming more widespread in delivery. Do a search on Maxam powders and look at Rio's website for a qualitative description of the powders.
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#1 would be the slower powder (sort of like Unique) and #5 is the faster powder (Closer to Red Dot/Clays).
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Old December 18th, 2014, 05:38 PM   #12
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I tryed the reloads

Well last night we loaded 30 rounds of 9mm, 115 RN Rainier Ballistics, 4.5gr of [Commercial #1] AKA [CSB-1]. I reloaded 10 rounds of 5.0gr just to see what is does being I did not see anything on that load...

We shot from about 9 yards as the sun was setting trying to beat the sunset evening. I can say we may have rushed it a little just to get the rounds in before she left state for the holidays,,, She just wanted to know if the money was well spend... In my eyes,,,,,,, YES.

The wife and I shot 17 rounds of factory rounds [Winchester 115 FMJ] to get warmed up per-say. then we shot 15 rounds each of the reloads to see the difference in recoil & accuracy.

Wife felt it was a lighter recoil load. she had no clue were she was shooting to speak of... Need LOTS more live trigger time.

Myself, I like the load a lot. a light recoil. My factory loads I was shooting straight across to the Bullseye with 10 rounds, then went to the reloads and shot 15 rounds and was very consistent on the group... Mine group was consistent at 2 O'clock 3 O'clock..... I am a lefty.

It was Every round... after putting the Apex trigger and sear setup in I may not have the rear sight in line, and or I need to work on my grip / trigger pull... Things I can work on..

All and All. I like the powder and I am pleased with it... We may even try the lighter load of 4.0gr
Some of you say it is "Dirty". I say it may be just a tad bit dirty but not what I thought the way some of you were talking.
No residue left in the barrel at all as to when I shot red dot in my shotguns leaving flakes.

Just my cheep .02 as a newbie pistol shooter.

(If needed, I have pic's of this pattern of both loads.)
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I hope your writing above is wrong. The picture they show, says 9 115 is top 4.5. 5 grains is too much. Do you have a chrony?
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Old December 21st, 2014, 09:04 AM   #14
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I do not have a Chrony, and I am going to be buying one of finding one I can borrow in these loads,
All I can say is the 4.5 do feel lighter on the recoil side and very accurate as to the Factory Winchester 115 gr....

*** 5.gr did not shoot well (no pattern) and I do not plan on loading anymore of that anyway, again I only loaded 10 to see... the 4.5 did feel good an grouped well at about 28 -30 ft.

Here is the data that is listed on the site for the powder, We do plan on loading 4.0 to maybe 4.3 also to see how they feel and shoot also...

https://www.americanreloading.com/en...n-powder-.html



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I hope your writing above is wrong. The picture they show, says 9 115 is top 4.5. 5 grains is too much. Do you have a chrony?

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Old December 21st, 2014, 03:24 PM   #15
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5 is way too high, had you stuffed that bullet too low, u may have blown your chamber. Always stay below published data, especially on a new powder!
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