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Old October 26th, 2016, 08:40 AM   #1
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Different Bullets...??????

Which manufactures are using plated bullets in their FACTORY ammo...
our indoor range dosent allow jacketed bullets...thanks
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Old October 26th, 2016, 09:57 AM   #2
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There have been a number of discussions about plated bullets etc, as an example:
New M&P CORE 9L Ported - Ammo Issues...????
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Old October 26th, 2016, 12:37 PM   #3
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PaPow, when I find ammo locally all I ever see is jacketed of some sort.

I'd do a 'net search for reloaded ammo. You might find coated bullets. They use a polymer coating on them that's supposed to be as good as a jacket, without being a jacket. I've been using them in competition with no problems. Does the range allow electroplated? I know ours doesn't because if it looks like a jacket, it's a jacket.

I assume you don't reload or you wouldn't ask. That would be another solution.

Here's some of what I found:

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Ultra...Box/705906.uts

https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/1959...grain-tsj.html

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/produ...unds?a=1593340

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Check out Georgia Arms; I have used tens of thousands of their 9 mm plated rounds on steel targets and sourced by the Rogers Shooting School.

Georgia Arms - Search Results for "plated"
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There have been a number of discussions about plated bullets etc, as an example:
New M&P CORE 9L Ported - Ammo Issues...????
I`m aware of that thread seeing how i was the one that posted it.
And thats kind of a different thread subject anyway...thanks though.
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PaPow, when I find ammo locally all I ever see is jacketed of some sort.

I'd do a 'net search for reloaded ammo. You might find coated bullets. They use a polymer coating on them that's supposed to be as good as a jacket, without being a jacket. I've been using them in competition with no problems. Does the range allow electroplated? I know ours doesn't because if it looks like a jacket, it's a jacket.

I assume you don't reload or you wouldn't ask. That would be another solution.

Here's some of what I found:

Ultramax 9mm 125-Grain Lead Round Nose Ammunition with Dry-Storage Box : Cabela's

https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/1959...grain-tsj.html

Ultramax Remanufactured, 9mm Luger, RNL, 125 Grain, 250 Rounds - 51386, 9mm Ammo at Sportsman's Guide
Hi Brian... i should have been more clear on my intentions before i posted... yes i DO reload, and i do load my own plated ammo for indoor range purposes. I was actually trying to get info on factory plated ammo for friends of mine that only load fmj jacketed ammo, which is not allowed where i shoot. I would load my ammo for them to shoot at our indoor range, BUT, these friends dont want to shoot someone else`s loaded ammo... i dont blame them, i wouldnt dare shoot other peoples reloads either. So i`m just basically looking for factory plated ammo for them to buy locally so they can come to our range to shoot. I told them its up to them to provide their own ammo, it just cant be jacketed ammo. I posted just out of kindness to help them, not me. I once heard that BLAZER has plated bullets, but i`m not finding any proof of that anywhere. I`m pretty much on the hunt for just 9mm factory plated ammo... and being i live in the communist state of New Yuck (new york), we are not allowed by the UNSAFE-ACT LAW, to order ammo on-line any longer. Thanks to HUOMO CUOMO and his NAZI party.

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After what i`m finding and seeing, i think if these guys wanna shoot at our range, they need to step up and buy some plated bullets. Some of these guys reload, theres no reason they cant load their own plated range rounds. Only one friend of mine does not reload, i can surely help him out and load some extra stuff for him. I told him just pay for my reloads by swapping me some factory ammo even up for my reloads....seems fair enough to me seeing how i have to do all the work.

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Check out Georgia Arms; I have used tens of thousands of their 9 mm plated rounds on steel targets and sourced by the Rogers Shooting School.

Georgia Arms - Search Results for "plated"
Thanks for the link, but i`ll pass
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Yup, If they load, just have them buy coated bullets and load some. They'll use lead bullet load data. There's no question that a coated bullet isn't a jacket once it's seen.

I've loaded many thousands of coated bullets so far and they're good.

There are so many manufacturers of coated bullets that I won't even bother to supply links. You might even find one in NY. But if you're near NJ, there is Ibejiheads in the northern 1/2 of the state, I seem to remember Orange, NJ but I can't find an address for them.

Other manufacturers I've used are Black Bullets and Bayou Bullets.

BTW, I don't shot other folks reloads either, and I never want to give mine out. There's just too much liability. If anything happens to their gun or them I can't prove it wasn't my ammo that they were shooting and that claim could be made. It's a very bad idea to pass out reloads.

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Yup, If they load, just have them buy coated bullets and load some. They'll use lead bullet load data. There's no question that a coated bullet isn't a jacket once it's seen.

I've loaded many thousands of coated bullets so far and they're good.

There are so many manufacturers of coated bullets that I won't even bother to supply links. You might even find one in NY. But if you're near NJ, there is Ibejiheads in the northern 1/2 of the state, I seem to remember Orange, NJ but I can't find an address for them.

Other manufacturers I've used are Black Bullets and Bayou Bullets.

BTW, I don't shot other folks reloads either, and I never want to give mine out. There's just too much liability. If anything happens to their gun or them I can't prove it wasn't my ammo that they were shooting and that claim could be made. It's a very bad idea to pass out reloads.
Thanks for the info Brian. Yupppp i agree, to much reloading liability issues today just to pass them around to even friends. The one guy is my cousin, so i`m not to worried about giving him some of my loads... he shoots alot of my reloads, he prefers mine over factory ammo. I dont load them hot, there is no point beating the gun up, and its not as fun to shoot if your hand is gettin pounded. No chance for a double charge either in my process...i use data that if double charged, the powder spills out of the case on my 9mm loads.

Thanks again my good friend... i`ll do some research on what ya posted...take care
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I know Freedom Munitions has some.

I saw some .45acp plated ammo on their website yesterday.
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I know Freedom Munitions has some.

I saw some .45acp plated ammo on their website yesterday.
Thanks Rick!
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Why the rule?
If they don't allow JHP, they have some other agenda than "protecting from lead." This is particularly true if they allow standard primers, as that is THE source of lead in the air.
Only other "reason" for such a rule is that they think jacketed bullets are too "hard" for the backstop, in which case they need to ban all "heavy plated" bullets.
Look for ammo with "bonded" bullets and you'll be buying plated 99% of the time.
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Why the rule?
If they don't allow JHP, they have some other agenda than "protecting from lead." This is particularly true if they allow standard primers, as that is THE source of lead in the air.
Only other "reason" for such a rule is that they think jacketed bullets are too "hard" for the backstop, in which case they need to ban all "heavy plated" bullets.
Look for ammo with "bonded" bullets and you'll be buying plated 99% of the time.
I get what your saying, and i am aware of thicker plated bullets vs jacketed. It isnt so much protection from lead, more of the issue is the speed of the bullets hitting the backstop plate.
My personal opinion, i think the club does not have alot of money (so they say) to replace the steel backstop, so in their defense, they`re trying to save money to make the backstop last as long as possible, and to also keep the hotrod reloaders under control...and i get that. We ALL know that SOME people that just have to shoot nuclear reloads that want them to penetrate thru to china and back. They also reduced how fast of a reload can be used in the indoor range to 800FPS. Now that they lowered the speed, thats going to limit even more, who can use the indoor range. I dont know about you guys, but its pretty tough to bring a 9mm reload down to 800FPS and still function the slide with a OEM recoil spring. I will also bet, they will eventually only allow sub-sonic 22 rimfire. If it comes down to all that business, the club better step up and put the proper backstop in, so that EVERYBODY can shoot at least 1,000FPS, or i wont be renewing my dues. Dont misunderstand me, i`m not mad at the club for dictating the bullet speeds, they`re concerned of it costing money on a faster pace than normal. The club doesn`t want guys using guns like a 357mag with full house rounds, very understandable.
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It is possible to load to 800 fps and lower and still have an M&P function, but one has to go outside the bounds of what is considered customary. I load 9mm 160s to 800 fps to just make minor PF for USPSA. But I doubt that it can be easily done with light weight bullets.

Our range both limits the projectile to no jackets and velocity to 1000 fps. Also, the shooting stations to the left are for centerfire and to the right is for .22. They still have morons shooting centerfire on the .22 side. Big signs and all, yet they continue to do it.
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Thanks Rick!
You're welcome, Sir.

I just ordered 1000 rounds of it myself yesterday.

$255.00/1000 with free shipping. That's cheaper than WWB 9mm at Walmart.

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