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Old June 13th, 2016, 10:24 AM   #1
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So What Is an ‘Assault Rifle’ Really?

As expected a new push for gun control has started, much of it centering around the term "Assault Rifle' as if the civilian AR-15 is only suitable for events with evil intent, which of course it isn't. Nice article from The Blaze.

So What Is an ‘Assault Rifle’ Really? We Look at the Definitions and How the Term Is ‘Demonized’

It seems that there is a lot of confusion as to the difference between military rifles and those designed for civilian ownership, especially because of the language often used to describe the latter.


But why? Is an AR-15 not an assault rifle? Does the "AR” in AR-15 not stand for "assault rifle”?


It doesn’t. In fact, it doesn’t mean "automatic rifle” either, as many might think. AR actually stands for ArmaLite rifle, which is the company that first developed it in the 1950s.


Continued: So What Is an 'Assault Rifle' Really? We Look at the Definitions and How the Term Is 'Demonized' | TheBlaze.com
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Anything some anti-gun idiot wants it to be.
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Military definition of an assault rifle.

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The definition of an “assault rifle” is “Assault rifles are short, compact, select-fire (i.e. both semiautomatic
and full-automatic) weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between
submachinegun and rifle cartridges.
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I have shut down a number of anti-rights debates simply by providing the proper definition of an "assault rifle" and a "semi-automatic rifle".

Most of the time the person I am debating have no clue as to what the differences are.
These are the same people that do not know the difference between a "clip" and a "magazine" and think that one can empty a "30 round clip" in three seconds or less. Jerry Miculek Jr., one of the fastest shooters today, could barely fire off five rounds in a second.

When debating these anti-rights zealots, it is important to know your facts and correct terminology. There is a plethora of information available on-line which I download and review frequently.
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Often it is invaluable to know when debating the antis the difference between Assault Rifle, which is defined in this thread, and Assault Weapon, which is basically a made political term for legislative purposes by categorizing a weapon based upon mostly cosmetic features.

Bear in mind most true anti 2A zealots will not listen to reason no matter what.

Some antis just parrot their favorite actor's, sports figure's, or politician's stance with no knowledge of their own. Sometimes they can be swayed with logic. Sometimes not.
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Education is key but some will never change...
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and how many of you have weapons on this list. I have several.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assault_rifles
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NOPE. There are two absolute changes any person will come to, at some point in their life.

One, is everyone will hope there is a God, when their moment comes.

The second, is everyone will wish they had a superior method of self defense, when their life depends on it.

Everyone will change at least once, or twice in their life.
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The AR in AR 15 stands for Armalite Rifle after the company that designed it originally. The designation has held on since the original design throughout all the manufacturers.

It is a standard definition for the design that later went on to become a fully auto military rifle designated by the military as M-16.

The term Assault Rifle was created when Bill Clinton "Assaulted" all firearms that were black in nature, semi auto, and had military backgrounds. The original "Assault" came around in 1993 with a gun bill that banned certain types of guns, certain guns from import, hi capacity mags, flash hiders, pistol grips, folding stocks, collapsing stocks, bayonet lugs, and other features. Rifles were his main target, but there were shotguns and pistols that were "Assaulted" too.

If the Clintons and other Gun Assault Creatures would ever get control of the world, we would only be able to carry firearms that Elmer Fudd or Davy Crockett did.

Bill Clinton was involved in other "Assault" cases, most of them sexual in nature. He even stood before the camera on national TV and lied to America that he did not do it. But was later proven with out a doubt, he did. Now, as in 2008, another Clinton "Assault" is coming.

Vote for Trump, and if you can find out how the Democrats do it, vote often. End the "Assault".
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These were the "Assault Rifles" in 1776. They gave you the freedom you enjoy today.

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The AR in AR 15 stands for Armalite Rifle after the company that designed it originally. The designation has held on since the original design throughout all the manufacturers.

It is a standard definition for the design that later went on to become a fully auto military rifle designated by the military as M-16.

The term Assault Rifle was created when Bill Clinton "Assaulted" all firearms that were black in nature, semi auto, and had military backgrounds. The original "Assault" came around in 1993 with a gun bill that banned certain types of guns, certain guns from import, hi capacity mags, flash hiders, pistol grips, folding stocks, collapsing stocks, bayonet lugs, and other features. Rifles were his main target, but there were shotguns and pistols that were "Assaulted" too.

If the Clintons and other Gun Assault Creatures would ever get control of the world, we would only be able to carry firearms that Elmer Fudd or Davy Crockett did.

Bill Clinton was involved in other "Assault" cases, most of them sexual in nature. He even stood before the camera on national TV and lied to America that he did not do it. But was later proven with out a doubt, he did. Now, as in 2008, another Clinton "Assault" is coming.

Vote for Trump, and if you can find out how the Democrats do it, vote often. End the "Assault".
Actually, the term assault rifle was created by Adolf Hitler when he saw the MP 43/44 . "Sturmgewehr" literally translates as assault rifle. He thought the weapon would have value for propaganda purposes, so he gave it a scary name.
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Actually, the term assault rifle was created by Adolf Hitler when he saw the MP 43/44 . "Sturmgewehr" literally translates as assault rifle. He thought the weapon would have value for propaganda purposes, so he gave it a scary name.
Now that is just an awful stretch to Compare Hitler To the Clintons, but I see the resemblance. Hitler is just Hillary pronounced differently.
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pending context of usage on these two words.

"assault weapon".

in modern dictionary terms, for a gun.
it defines any carbine rifle that has select fire options, and chambers a under powdered cartridge.

in antis terms, any rifle that looks scary to them.

what is a assault.
in terms of what is a assault weapon" it can be a rock, a stick, your fist, a car, etc. a assault is a action not a object.

the term fist came about as a sales gimmick to get hitler to buy a small under powered rifle.
a rifle that changed warfare, from just kill all the other sides men, to wound them.
from a kill everybody - to a war of using up the other sides resources.


https://web.archive.org/web/20130102...s/Tartaro1.htm

http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/12/20/...sault-weapons/

http://www.nssf.org/factsheets/semi-auto.cfm

http://www.wibc.com/blogs/gun-guy/cy...s-ban%E2%80%9D

here is some better reading.

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