FTF's

MyShield · July 21st, 2012, 11:17 AM

I bought my 9MM Shield on June 8th but couldn't get to the range until today. To say I was disappointed would be a huge understatement.
I took a box of 100 WWB, 230 gr and had 12 FTF's

Before I went I was so confident of it's reliability I didn't take any other ammo so I couldn't prove if it was the ammo or the gun.
Anyway, I went ahead and sent an email to S&W, but, tomorrow I'm going back to the range with some other ammo.
BTW, the rounds that failed to fire had been struck by the firing pin.

TOF · July 21st, 2012, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyShield

I bought my 9MM Shield on June 8th but couldn't get to the range until today. To say I was disappointed would be a huge understatement.
I took a box of 100 WWB, 230 gr and had 12 FTF's

Before I went I was so confident of it's reliability I didn't take any other ammo so I couldn't prove if it was the ammo or the gun.
Anyway, I went ahead and sent an email to S&W, but, tomorrow I'm going back to the range with some other ammo.
BTW, the rounds that failed to fire had been struck by the firing pin.

I am curious where you find 230 grain 9MM ammo? I actualy am surorised it would feed any of them.

MaddMax · July 21st, 2012, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOF

I am curious where you find 230 grain 9MM ammo? I actualy am surorised it would feed any of them.

Not to mention getting them into the mag.

Do they make WWB in 100 round boxes ? Can't find any here.

M4Gunner · July 21st, 2012, 03:53 PM

Do you have any pics of the rounds that didnt fire? id like to see how deep the primer is dented. Thats step one..

TOF · July 21st, 2012, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MaddMax

Not to mention getting them into the mag.

Do they make WWB in 100 round boxes ? Can't find any here.

Yes they do but not 230 grain 9MM.

ShipWreck · July 21st, 2012, 07:06 PM

Also - did you clean the gun before your first trip?

I picked up my 2nd one last Sat. Shot it yesterday and today.

I have 450 rounds thru it now, and 1250 rounds thru my first one I bought 2.5 months ago. 1700 rounds total between the two. Work fine, and use WWB all the time

bearman · July 21st, 2012, 07:19 PM

i checked my fired caseings the other day, the fireing pin mark was deep. deepest i have ever seen. but did not go thru the primer. shooting WWB in 180 gr./ ball. and CCI Brass in 180gr./ ball. also 155 gr. Federal hydra-shok.---walmart here sells 100 rd. packs of 9mm and 40.

MaddMax · July 22nd, 2012, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOF

Yes they do but not 230 grain 9MM.

That's what I ment (230 grain 45's in 100 round WWB) I fine 50 rounds boxes in 45 easy.

That's about all I buy is 9 mm WWB in 100 round boxes.

MyShield · July 22nd, 2012, 09:17 AM

OK-OK, I deserve all the ribbing, I'd probably crucify a guy for saying that also. Call it a "senior moment", of course it wasn't 230 gr, it was 115 though. Give a guy a break, after all I was pretty upset about all the FTF's, but, if it makes you guys feel any better you've got my ok to call me "230" from now on.

MyShield · July 22nd, 2012, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M4Gunner

Do you have any pics of the rounds that didnt fire? id like to see how deep the primer is dented. Thats step one..

I did bring some of them home but I haven't taken any pics yet. What should I kook for?
BTW, thanks for seeing past my obvious mistake.

MyShield · July 22nd, 2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ShipWreck

Also - did you clean the gun before your first trip?

No, I didn't field strip & clean it but, I did did lube it up pretty good.

bobnieder · July 22nd, 2012, 11:14 AM

Smith&Wesson usually loads their pistols up with a thick, greasy coating for protection -- although as fast as the Shields are selling, they probably aren't going to need to be stored very long before use. I know I had to field strip and thoroughly clean my FS .40 and lube it before firing.

TOF · July 22nd, 2012, 11:23 AM

Senior moment or not welcome to the forum from another geezer.

MaddMax · July 22nd, 2012, 01:56 PM

I agree. Senoir moment or not

, welcome aboard from another geezer

. Stay Safe and Happy Shooting.

M4Gunner · July 23rd, 2012, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyShield

I did bring some of them home but I haven't taken any pics yet. What should I kook for?
BTW, thanks for seeing past my obvious mistake.

lol, no problem. I figured it was a typo or a brain typo. no biggie.

I would look at the unfired primers just to compare weather or not theyre struck as deep as the ones that went boom. If they are, then I would say its clearly the ammo, but something tells me that having that many duds in one box is next to impossible. I think I can count on one hand, the amount of duds ive come across in my 30 years of shooting. let alone a dozen in one box.
assuming theyre not struck as deep.. have you done any trigger work to the weapon?

TOF · July 23rd, 2012, 12:41 PM

The primers that failed to go boom should have a deeper mark than the ones that did. Pressure within those going boom typicaly pushes the primer back out a bit unless they are very light loads.

M4Gunner · July 23rd, 2012, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOF

The primers that failed to go boom should have a deeper mark than the ones that did. Pressure within those going boom typicaly pushes the primer back out a bit unless they are very light loads.

True, and good point. unless they just wernt struck hard enough to start with. I guess at that point, you would get your answer. If its deep, then its the primer. if its too shallow, its the gun (or some part of it, to be more specifically vague)

konertjm · July 24th, 2012, 04:34 AM

The ONLY FTF's I have had with my shield .40, were Winchester White Box, both out of he same box (lot number?).
I have since fired another 200 rounds of WWB without incident.

As M4gunner stated with his primer info, the primer strikes on the 2 FTF's were centered and very deep. Indicating a bad primer.

All of the shield FTF's I have read about here, and on other forums, have been with WWB.

M4Gunner · July 24th, 2012, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by konertjm

The ONLY FTF's I have had with my shield .40, were Winchester White Box, both out of he same box (lot number?).
I have since fired another 200 rounds of WWB without incident.

As M4gunner stated with his primer info, the primer strikes on the 2 FTF's were centered and very deep. Indicating a bad primer.

All of the shield FTF's I have read about here, and on other forums, have been with WWB.

wow, thats an insane good:bad ratio! Note to self: do NOT buy WWB! lol

EDIT: I just noticed that you werent the OP, but still.. I cant remember the last dud I had. Welcome aboard!

MyShield · July 24th, 2012, 06:47 AM

OK, I was finally able to take a few pics that might be helpful, this is one of the FTF's

Another thing that looked strange to me is that the "WIN" that's usually stamped on the head of the casing isn't there and that made me look at the rest of the boxes of WWB I have in stock. Of the 3 remaining boxes 2 of them had the "WIN" stamped on them but the last one was full of what's in the picture. As I looked closer the casings appeared discolored, no new, they look like reloads to me but I'm not an expert.

Now I'm really confused, is it bad ammo, a bad gun or both?

BTW, my camera skills are pretty bad so the one pic above is the only one that can be seen clearly.

July 21st, 2012, 11:17 AM	#1
MyShield Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: MICHIGAN Posts: 32	FTF's I bought my 9MM Shield on June 8th but couldn't get to the range until today. To say I was disappointed would be a huge understatement. I took a box of 100 WWB, 230 gr and had 12 FTF's Before I went I was so confident of it's reliability I didn't take any other ammo so I couldn't prove if it was the ammo or the gun. Anyway, I went ahead and sent an email to S&W, but, tomorrow I'm going back to the range with some other ammo. BTW, the rounds that failed to fire had been struck by the firing pin.

July 22nd, 2012, 09:17 AM	#9
MyShield Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: MICHIGAN Posts: 32	OK-OK, I deserve all the ribbing, I'd probably crucify a guy for saying that also. Call it a "senior moment", of course it wasn't 230 gr, it was 115 though. Give a guy a break, after all I was pretty upset about all the FTF's, but, if it makes you guys feel any better you've got my ok to call me "230" from now on. Last edited by MyShield; July 22nd, 2012 at 09:19 AM.

July 22nd, 2012, 01:56 PM	#14
MaddMax Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Rural NE Iowa Posts: 2,309	I agree. Senoir moment or not, welcome aboard from another geezer. Stay Safe and Happy Shooting.

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July 21st, 2012, 03:53 PM	#4
M4Gunner Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Concord, nh Posts: 85	Do you have any pics of the rounds that didnt fire? id like to see how deep the primer is dented. Thats step one..

July 21st, 2012, 07:06 PM	#6
ShipWreck Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 339	Also - did you clean the gun before your first trip? I picked up my 2nd one last Sat. Shot it yesterday and today. I have 450 rounds thru it now, and 1250 rounds thru my first one I bought 2.5 months ago. 1700 rounds total between the two. Work fine, and use WWB all the time

July 21st, 2012, 07:19 PM	#7
bearman Junior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: pa. Posts: 20	i checked my fired caseings the other day, the fireing pin mark was deep. deepest i have ever seen. but did not go thru the primer. shooting WWB in 180 gr./ ball. and CCI Brass in 180gr./ ball. also 155 gr. Federal hydra-shok.---walmart here sells 100 rd. packs of 9mm and 40.

July 22nd, 2012, 11:14 AM	#12
bobnieder Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Frederick, Maryland Posts: 101	Smith&Wesson usually loads their pistols up with a thick, greasy coating for protection -- although as fast as the Shields are selling, they probably aren't going to need to be stored very long before use. I know I had to field strip and thoroughly clean my FS .40 and lube it before firing.

July 22nd, 2012, 11:23 AM	#13
TOF Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Northern Arizona Posts: 2,937	Senior moment or not welcome to the forum from another geezer.

July 23rd, 2012, 12:41 PM	#16
TOF Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Northern Arizona Posts: 2,937	The primers that failed to go boom should have a deeper mark than the ones that did. Pressure within those going boom typicaly pushes the primer back out a bit unless they are very light loads.

July 24th, 2012, 04:34 AM	#18
konertjm Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: St. Louis MO. Posts: 80	The ONLY FTF's I have had with my shield .40, were Winchester White Box, both out of he same box (lot number?). I have since fired another 200 rounds of WWB without incident. As M4gunner stated with his primer info, the primer strikes on the 2 FTF's were centered and very deep. Indicating a bad primer. All of the shield FTF's I have read about here, and on other forums, have been with WWB.

July 24th, 2012, 06:47 AM	#20
MyShield Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: MICHIGAN Posts: 32	OK, I was finally able to take a few pics that might be helpful, this is one of the FTF's Another thing that looked strange to me is that the "WIN" that's usually stamped on the head of the casing isn't there and that made me look at the rest of the boxes of WWB I have in stock. Of the 3 remaining boxes 2 of them had the "WIN" stamped on them but the last one was full of what's in the picture. As I looked closer the casings appeared discolored, no new, they look like reloads to me but I'm not an expert. Now I'm really confused, is it bad ammo, a bad gun or both? BTW, my camera skills are pretty bad so the one pic above is the only one that can be seen clearly.