Crimson Tracer Laser Grip in green for M&P shield?

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Old November 12th, 2012, 07:28 PM   #1
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Crimson Tracer Laser Grip in green for M&P shield?

Does anyone know if this exits yet?

Can't find it on CT website

On a waiting list for Shield in 9mm and would like to pre-order a holster, just need a model number for the CT

I'd rather not go with laser guard
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Old November 12th, 2012, 08:15 PM   #2
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Laser Grips replace for the interchangeable grip on M&P pistols, but since the Shield doesn't have an interchangeable grip there will be no Laser Grips for it (not in green or any other color). The only product Crimson Trace makes for the Shield is the Lightguard.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 08:21 PM   #3
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Does anyone know if this exits yet?
Not yet.

Until recently all small green lasers have used diode pumped solid state frequency-doubled IR laser diodes to produce green spectrum laser light.

They aren't the best

  • More complicated, therfore more expensive to produce
  • larger than cheap red diodes
  • work poorly in cold conditions
  • inefficient and prone to overheating
  • more dangerous due to IR radiation, more expensive products will generally have an IR filter

We were never going to see DPSS lasers in CT laser grips.

Osram Opto Semiconductors officially announced just last month the release of their first production-quality direct green laser diode. I've not yet seen the bulk pricing on these diodes yet. Maybe we'll see them soon.

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Old November 13th, 2012, 04:37 AM   #4
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I didn't think it thru on the interchangable grip requirement

TC is local and hopefully they'll be at the Portland gun show this weekend and if I learn anything new from them, I'll share it here.

I've never had a laser, always wanted one, may have to re-think moving up to an M&P in 9mm that will take the laser grips, I dunno now?

You both are a wealth of information here and I always look forward to reading your posts!

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I don't get why S&W didn't go with interchangeable grips on the Shield, it's not like they didn't have the room. Both the 9mm and 40S&W magazines are wider than a normal single stack, yet they have ribs on both sides to keep the mags from multi-stacking. Seems they could have gone with a thinner single stack magazine and either given us a thinner weapon or added interchangeable grips.

I'll bet the 45 version won't have ribbed magazines.

Rant off...

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Old November 14th, 2012, 08:17 PM   #6
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Guys, another newbie question..

So if I went with the M&P 9compact, I could add the Crimsom Trace green laser to it?

Thanks for your input!
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Guys, another newbie question..

So if I went with the M&P 9compact, I could add the Crimsom Trace green laser to it?

Thanks for your input!
With the CMR-203, yes.

It even states so on CT's website, that was easy...

Rail Master Universal Green Laser Sight | Official Crimson Trace Lasergrips

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Fits pistols, rifles, and shotguns with M1913 Picatinny or Weaver Accessory Rail including: 1911 Government or Commander with Rail AR-15/M16 or similar rail-equipped long guns Beretta PX4 Full Size and Compact, 92Vertec GLOCK 3rd Gen 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 31, 32, 34, 35, 38 GLOCK 4th Gen 17 and 19 Heckler & Koch (HK) P30, 45, 45C Ruger SR9, SR40, SR9c, SR40c Sig Sauer P220, P226, P229 Smith & Wesson M&P Full-Size and Compact Smith & Wesson SD Springfield Armory XD and XD(M) Taurus Millennium Pro, 24/7 Most other rail-equipped pistols with a minimum of 1 1/16" from recoil lug.

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Old November 15th, 2012, 07:08 AM   #8
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With the CMR-203, yes.

It even states so on CT's website, that was easy...

Rail Master Universal Green Laser Sight | Official Crimson Trace Lasergrips
Easy for you Jason lol

Maybe just a matter of time before that link you provided on the Osram Opto Semiconductors green makes it to "our" market.

Thank you for your help guys guiding us thru the process.

Seems there's only so many hours in the day to research and research some more
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Now green grips yet, sorry. Everything is rail mount or trigger guard.
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Looks like C/T is going to break into green lasergrips & see what happens (starting at bottom of page): New & Coming Soon Laser Products | Official Crimson Trace Lasergrips Hopefully if they work out ok we'll start to see them for the M&P's

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Looks like C/T is going to break into green lasergrips & see what happens...
They've been working toward it for 3 or 4 years but were having trouble overcoming problems typically associated with green lasers. The new direct green laser diodes that are headed to market are over 3.3mm across, too large to fit in a M&P CT Lasergrip. Once green lasers become available in the smaller package, then we'll see green M&P Lasergrips.
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They've been working toward it for 3 or 4 years but were having trouble overcoming problems typically associated with green lasers. The new direct green laser diodes that are headed to market are over 3.3mm across, too large to fit in a M&P CT Lasergrip. Once green lasers become available in the smaller package, then we'll see green M&P Lasergrips.
Laser diodes in a TO (transistor outline) can package don't come any smaller that that, just saying. It is simply amazing that OSRAM has gotten them down to that size.

3.3mm is 0.129921" compare that to the stock M&P front sight post's height of 0.165".

Here is the geometric tolerances of a Sharp branded TO33 for size reference. OSRAM's PL 520 is in a TO38 package (3.8mm)



Red will be dead, long live green.

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Went to the Portland gun show, didn't realize there was that many people on planet Earth

The folks selling the CT line had a great selection but didn't actually work for CT

When I asked about going green he asked "why, red is good out to about 50 yards in daylight, beyond that a bit too far for a handgun anyway"

I checked out his CMR-203 Jason linked above and like you say, a bit bulky at least in this stage of technology.

If the CT manufacturer was there, I didn't see them

Wish I had more to add to what yous' guys already know...

That's all folks

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Laser diodes in a TO (transistor outline) can package don't come any smaller that that, just saying. It is simply amazing that OSRAM has gotten them down to that size.
I don't think we're in disagreement. I was just pointing out that Osram's larger PL 520 won't fit properly in the spot where a TO3.3 now sits. The space in there is large enough, but the extra 1/4mm wouldn't allow you to adjust the laser to poi. Once they mill off that .25mm reference plane it should fit just fine, because the CT lasergrip for M&P pistols uses the front of the laser can as a shoulder, not the reference plane.
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Just got off the phone with Kevin Lahart at Crimson Trace. The new green laser grip line (LG401G/404G/617G/619G/305G) is using a new direct green technology, allowing the packaging to be smaller. They started with the 5 best sellers & are looking at Q1 for release. He stated that the next batch in development could possibly include lasergrips for the M&P's. The continuous run times will only be around 45 minutes, instead of the two hour rating of the CMR-203 & current green laserguards, but still long enough to get the job done.
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