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Old May 17th, 2014, 08:44 AM   #16
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What's usually the first thing we do when we buy a new rifle? Put a scope on it and shoot it off a solid rest. Why not do the same with our handguns. No scope, but shoot them off a rest. That tells us how accurate the pistol is. Then when we shoot it offhand and it shoots low left or whatever we know it's us not the gun.
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Yep. Been there, done that. Yeah, I know it's me. Put about 500 rds through it and still low left. I'll probably get flamed, but the way I look at it, if I am consistent, why not adjust the sights to compensate rather than relearn my shooting technique that works for my fullsize 9mm? If you are in a stress situation, you will do what comes naturally. I am one more firing session from having my sights adjusted to compensate if it doesn't get better this time.
Hmmm... Tactically that might make sense. If someone by chance gets your pistol away from you, they might not be able to hit anything with it.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 04:28 PM   #18
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Just a suggestion, try putting your finger on the trigger positioned with the first joint on top of the trigger. That spot will change the direction of pull just enough to possibly help correct your "low and left" point of impact. Try not to put the pad of your pointer finger on the trigger. Good Luck!


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Just a suggestion, try putting your finger on the trigger positioned with the first joint on top of the trigger. That spot will change the direction of pull just enough to possibly help correct your "low and left" point of impact. Try not to put the pad of your pointer finger on the trigger. Good Luck!
Then tip it sideways, with the grip parallel to the ground, like the Ganstas do. Or... consider getting some good instruction from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

P.S. Keep the center of the first pad on the trigger, until another professional trainer tells you not to.
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Old May 17th, 2014, 06:46 PM   #20
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For me, a pistol with a 3 pound trigger (like a good 1911) is beter to use less finger on the trigger, (mid pad or less) but with double action revolvers and pistols with 6 to 10 #'s of pull I do better with my finger at the first joint.... like with my Shield.
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Then tip it sideways, with the grip parallel to the ground, like the Ganstas do. Or... consider getting some good instruction from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

P.S. Keep the center of the first pad on the trigger, until another professional trainer tells you not to.
You're an all out arrogant smart ass aren't you, KRWeiss?

Do you own this website or are you some kind of international all time target champion professional?!?

C'mon, boy - toot that horn.



P.S. Who gives a shit?

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Have you tried shooting off a rest?

When I got my shield 9mm, it shot consistantly to the left of center... elevation was fine.
Shot it off a rest and was still left of center. Moved the front sight to the right just a little, and is now hitting dead center.

Contrary to popular belief... sometimes it can actually be the guns fault and not the shooters.
I also agree with rainsong, that if you are consistantly shooting tight groups that aren't centered, it should be a no-brainer that it's time to adjust the sights, instead of blameing yourself for poor marksmanship.
shouldn't you have moved the front sight to the left to pull the impact to the right.
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shouldn't you have moved the front sight to the left to pull the impact to the right.
Glad you caught that... I ment rear sight.

I'll go edit that post.

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Old May 17th, 2014, 08:26 PM   #24
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Then tip it sideways, with the grip parallel to the ground, like the Ganstas do. Or... consider getting some good instruction from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

P.S. Keep the center of the first pad on the trigger, until another professional trainer tells you not to.
Works for me.

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Proper Placement of the Trigger Finger: It is necessary to apply pressure on the trigger with either the first bone section of the index finger [pad], or with the first joint. The trigger must be pressed straight to the rear.
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You're an all out arrogant smart ass aren't you, KRWeiss?

Do you own this website or are you some kind of international all time target champion professional?!?

C'mon, boy - toot that horn.



P.S. Who gives a shit?
Yes... and over 7000 posts! Some people just have to comment on everything. Makes one wonder where he finds time to become an expert on everything.
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Way to go KR, better provide the newbies some Preparation H to go with that tiny bit of harmless sarcasm.
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Does not matter if I get my finger deep in the trigger or on the pad...
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.. I do better with my finger at the first joint...
I'm confused, do you do better with your knuckle on the pad, or does it not make a difference.


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Way to go KR, better provide the newbies some Preparation H to go with that tiny bit of harmless sarcasm.
I've got some 15 grit sandpaper, good for taking off one layer of pansy at a time.

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Way to go KR, better provide the newbies some Preparation H to go with that tiny bit of harmless sarcasm.
And now we have two arrogant punks.

You both need a good bitch slap - and I'd thoroughly enjoy delivering it too.

In the meantime, you'll do far better for others via encouragement, support and positive feedback than to belittle, berate and disparage - especially towards your fellow members.

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Have you tried shooting off a rest?

When I got my shield 9mm, it shot consistantly to the left of center... elevation was fine.
Shot it off a rest and was still left of center. Moved the rear sight to the right just a little, and is now hitting dead center.

Contrary to popular belief... sometimes it can actually be the guns fault and not the shooters.
I also agree with rainsong, that if you are consistantly shooting tight groups that aren't centered, it should be a no-brainer that it's time to adjust the sights, instead of blameing yourself for poor marksmanship.

I had the same issue with my full size 9mm. I shot it from a bench just to make sure I was not pulling the shot some weird way...still hitting left. I drifted the back sight to the right just a hair and now the pistol is shooting on center. I knew it wasn't me
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And now we have two arrogant punks.

You both need a good bitch slap - and I'd thoroughly enjoy delivering it too.

In the meantime, you'll do far better for others via encouragement, support and positive feedback than to belittle, berate and disparage - especially towards your fellow members.
Actually... Bulldog... with your 15 posts. KR and Jason have both been contributing HEAVILY to this forum for years, and ARE a wealth of knowledge about the M&P and shooting in general.

There's not a single pistol instructor worth a sh__ who teaches any trigger finger placement OTHER than the pad of the last finger section on the center of the trigger... with any platform other than MAYBE a double action revolver. Regardless of pull weight.

Yes... KR can be a bit "firm" and to the point... but people really SHOULD do a bit of homework before going on a web forum and giving INSTRUCTION... that is completely wrong. There are a lot of inexperienced shooters here looking for GOOD/correct/proven knowledge and advice. When ABJECT bad advice is dispensed, it's in the interest of the questioner to get the right answer, regardless of the level PC tact of the poster.

So... save your bitch-slapping for somewhere else, and if you want a kinder, gentler forum... try something on Zen Gardens... or crochet.

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