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This is a discussion on Shield shooting low left within the MP SHIELD Pistols forums, part of the Smith & Wesson MP Forum category; Originally Posted by Bulldog And now we have two arrogant punks. You both need a good bitch slap - and I'd thoroughly enjoy delivering it ...


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Old May 18th, 2014, 02:30 PM   #31
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And now we have two arrogant punks.

You both need a good bitch slap - and I'd thoroughly enjoy delivering it too.

In the meantime, you'll do far better for others via encouragement, support and positive feedback than to belittle, berate and disparage - especially towards your fellow members.
A real Internet tough guy, with no sense of humor. LMAO

Getting bent over some little words, apparently this one doesn't know what banter is, it makes me sad.

KR and I butt head at times, maybe because we are butt heads, but sitting and making idle threats from behind the safety of a keyboard, that's chickenhearted. Give me an address and I'll make sure to get a jumbo pack of Preparation H and a lifetime supply of Midol to go with it sent there ASAP.

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Old May 18th, 2014, 02:49 PM   #32
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A real Internet tough guy, with no sense of humor. LMAO

Getting bent over some little words, apparently this one doesn't know what banter is, it makes me sad.

KR and I butt head at times, maybe because we are butt heads, but sitting and making idle threats from behind the safety of a keyboard, that's chickenhearted. Give me an address and I'll make sure to get a jumbo pack of Preparation H and a lifetime supply of Midol to go with it sent there ASAP.

TAke your head out of KR's ass and move ya punk.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 02:55 PM   #33
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Actually... Bulldog... with your 15 posts. KR and Jason have both been contributing HEAVILY to this forum for years, and ARE a wealth of knowledge about the M&P and shooting in general.

There's not a single pistol instructor worth a sh__ who teaches any trigger finger placement OTHER than the pad of the last finger section on the center of the trigger... with any platform other than MAYBE a double action revolver. Regardless of pull weight.

Yes... KR can be a bit "firm" and to the point... but people really SHOULD do a bit of homework before going on a web forum and giving INSTRUCTION... that is completely wrong. There are a lot of inexperienced shooters here looking for GOOD/correct/proven knowledge and advice. When ABJECT bad advice is dispensed, it's in the interest of the questioner to get the right answer, regardless of the level PC tact of the poster.

So... save your bitch-slapping for somewhere else, and if you want a kinder, gentler forum... try something on Zen Gardens... or crochet.

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Number of posts doesn't equal expert.

Like I said before,

You'll do far better for others via encouragement, support and positive feedback than to belittle, berate and disparage - especially towards your fellow members.

No one likes an arrogant know-it-all. It doesn't encourage participation nor enjoyment of the forum. Pretty simple. Is it not?

Can't tolerate my "tact"?

JeffWard, if you want a kinder, gentler forum... try something on Zen Gardens... or crochet.

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Old May 18th, 2014, 03:20 PM   #34
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There's not a single pistol instructor worth a sh__ who teaches any trigger finger placement OTHER than the pad of the last finger section on the center of the trigger... with any platform other than MAYBE a double action revolver. Regardless of pull weight.
The AMU knows a bit about shooting pistols.

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Proper Placement of the Trigger Finger: It is necessary to apply pressure on the trigger with either the first bone section of the index finger, or with the first joint. The trigger must be pressed straight to the rear.
Dogmatic insistence on a particular trigger finger placement ignores the objective of being able to press the trigger straight back.

For some guns and hands, using the pad of the index finger is appropriate; for other guns and hands, using the first joint of the trigger finger is appropriate. The choice of trigger finger placement should depend entirely on which placement allows a straight-back pull.
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You guys realize that this pansy newb is never going to contribute anything of value to this forum, just as he's contributed nothing relevant to this thread. As the target of his infantile attacks I couldn't possibly care less what he says, in fact I can't even see his posts until folks quote them.

We've all dealt with fools like this before, they thrive on the attention, so don't give him any attention (don't quote him or address him directly) and he'll eventually just go away.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 03:33 PM   #36
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You guys realize that this pansy newb is never going to contribute anything of value to this forum, just as he's contributed nothing relevant to this thread. As the target of his infantile attacks I couldn't possibly care less what he says, in fact I can't even see his posts until folks quote them.

We've all dealt with fools like this before, they thrive on the attention, so don't give him any attention (don't quote him or address him directly) and he'll eventually just go away.
Spoken by a true arrogant ignorant know-it-all. What else can you contribute that will enlighten us all. Pathetic.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 03:33 PM   #37
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The AMU knows a bit about shooting pistols.

Dogmatic insistence on a particular trigger finger placement ignores the objective of being able to press the trigger straight back.

For some guns and hands, using the pad of the index finger is appropriate; for other guns and hands, using the first joint of the trigger finger is appropriate. The choice of trigger finger placement should depend entirely on which placement allows a straight-back pull.
This is exactly what I was thinking when I read it... I completley agree.

KR, to answer your question, I place my trigger finger right in the crease of the first joint when shooting the Shield, but not when shooting 1911's.
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The AMU knows a bit about shooting pistols.

Dogmatic insistence on a particular trigger finger placement ignores the objective of being able to press the trigger straight back.

For some guns and hands, using the pad of the index finger is appropriate; for other guns and hands, using the first joint of the trigger finger is appropriate. The choice of trigger finger placement should depend entirely on which placement allows a straight-back pull.
Excellent point. And, exactly what I'm talking about.
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Old May 18th, 2014, 04:12 PM   #39
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The AMU knows a bit about shooting pistols.
Yes, they do. I worked with a few of the guys on the Army's team at Ft. Benning last June, just before the Interservice Pistol Championship, where they swept the competition before going on to Camp Perry. None of them, not one espouses this knuckle over trigger method. If we have the opportunity to work with them again this June, I'll take a case of GoPro cameras and see about getting some video of them shooting.


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KR, to answer your question, I place my trigger finger right in the crease of the first joint when shooting the Shield, but not when shooting 1911's.
Maybe there's a reason you shoot the Shield 1 1/2" left of center at 5 to 7 yards. A left hander with your same skill set would tend to shoot the same pistol 1 1/2" right of center at that distance. Hopefully they too would at least consider that it might not be the pistol, possibly even look into getting some good instruction to help correct the problem.

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I bought a Shield the other day and it groups well at 5 and 7 yds. but a bit to the left. Does not matter if I get my finger deep in the trigger or on the pad... still shoots about 1 1/2" left of center...
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KR and Jason, , you guys causing trouble by giving out good advice again!

I thought y'all would have known better by now!
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I shoot my 9c right on target. I am very happy each an every time I shoot it.

My Shield 9 on the other hand, I have a hard time with. I am always left of target and sometimes low left. I have had range days in which I can bring them over through much focus on my trigger pull, but it's not easy for me.

Why can I shoot my 9c soooo much better, with less effort?

Oh, and yes, I'm using my pad, not knuckle.
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I shoot my 9c right on target. I am very happy each an every time I shoot it.

My Shield 9 on the other hand, I have a hard time with. I am always left of target and sometimes low left. I have had range days in which I can bring them over through much focus on my trigger pull, but it's not easy for me.

Why can I shoot my 9c soooo much better, with less effort?

Oh, and yes, I'm using my pad, not knuckle.
I have found it is much harder for me to shoot a smaller gun. I'm coming from FS M&P's until I bought a Shield last October.

It has taken me awhile to get shooting my Shield down. I looked upon it as a challenge. My guess is that because the sights are so much closer, and the margin of error is much more.

What I mean is that it doesn't take much of a movement at all for me to be off POA.

A friend of mine has both Shields. His 9mm has the Apex DCAEK in it. His .40 doesn't. He shots his 9mm very well, but struggles with the .40. The difference is the harder to pull trigger of the .40, throws him off just a touch if he isn't careful. Hope this helps, just keep at it!
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If we have the opportunity to work with them (Army team) again this June, I'll take a case of GoPro cameras and see about getting some video of them shooting.
That would be an excellent contribution to the forum and an incredible source of information for forum members.
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I have found it is much harder for me to shoot a smaller gun. I'm coming from FS M&P's until I bought a Shield last October.

It has taken me awhile to get shooting my Shield down. I looked upon it as a challenge. My guess is that because the sights are so much closer, and the margin of error is much more.

What I mean is that it doesn't take much of a movement at all for me to be off POA.

A friend of mine has both Shields. His 9mm has the Apex DCAEK in it. His .40 doesn't. He shots his 9mm very well, but struggles with the .40. The difference is the harder to pull trigger of the .40, throws him off just a touch if he isn't careful. Hope this helps, just keep at it!
Thanks for the input Bill, I do have the DCAEK in both. I also have the RAM in the 9c as well because the reset wasn't that much improved with only the DCAEK.
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Maybe there's a reason you shoot the Shield 1 1/2" left of center at 5 to 7 yards. A left hander with your same skill set would tend to shoot the same pistol 1 1/2" right of center at that distance. Hopefully they too would at least consider that it might not be the pistol, possibly even look into getting some good instruction to help correct the problem.[/QUOTE]



Eveidently you missed one of my earlier post's in this thread where I said that I shot the pistol off a bench rest and was still grouping to the left of center.
I then loosened the allen screw in the top of the rear sight and used a hammer and brass punch to drift the sight to the right by a small amount until the groups were hitting point of aim. I then shot offhand and the groups were still centerd in the target.
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