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Old August 10th, 2014, 06:33 AM   #1
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New Shield-Shoots low left

Hello all. I just purchased my first shield in 40. I have been shooting Glocks for better part of 20 years and M&P since they came out. Went to the range with my new Shield and it shoots low and left 4" in both directions. I looked at the sights and the rear sight is drifted all the way to the left(as far as it will go without hanging over the edge) from the factory. My question is has anyone else had this problem? Not sure what the test firing procedure is at Smith. Would you consider this acceptable or send back? I could drift the front sight a little I guess, but would think that if it shoot this far off at 7-10 yards it should be fixed correctly.

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Old August 10th, 2014, 07:27 AM   #2
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Welcome to the forum!
There have been a bunch of threads about shooting Low-Left... Some of them where the sights weren't exactly centered, but I don't recall another thread where the rear sight was ALL the way to one side. NORMALLY, this is mostly shooter error, but since your rear sight is ALL the way over... probably NOT this time

While this could account for it shooting Left, it wouldn't be causing it to shoot LOW-Left. Get the rear sight Centered out and see what's going on then.

It's too bad that you didn't notice the sight alignment before filling out the paper work. I would have either requested another pistol, or had them fix it before buying.

BTW: What model Glocks?

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Old August 10th, 2014, 08:12 AM   #3
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If I center it, it will be shooting farther to the left..... It is all the way to the left and I would need to move it farther to the left to move the point of impact to the right. Unless you are looking for it, it is hard to see. There is less then 1/8" that it can move witout hanging over the side. Shot were taken sitting on a bunch slow fire, hand sitting on range bag, didn't have my rest with me.

As for glocks- I had a g2 22 for better part of 10 years that had 30k through it. Loved the thing. As for other models I have owned- 3 17's, 3 22's,23,34,35,26,27, 21, 30, 24. Think that is it, but may have forgotten a couple! LOL.
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I seems to me that if you move the rear sight to the right, the group should also move right.
That being said, before I would do anything else I would get someone else that you know, that is a proficient shooter, and let them try. Also sand bag it.
If it is then still off, Either try centering the sight or request S&W check it.
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Old August 10th, 2014, 09:25 AM   #5
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As Bud33 wrote... Moving the rear sight to the Right should bring your groups right. The thing is, S&W states to adjust the FRONT sight, not the rear sight.
So put the rear sights back to center, sand bag it (to eliminate any human factor), then see where you may need to go from there.

as an aside: My Glocks are a Gen2 G19 and a Gen4 G26. For me, my Shield's recoil feels just as mild as my G26. I was also shooting the Shield Low-Left until I adjusted my trigger finger placement. For me, I needed to move to the 1st knuckle joint in order to achieve a straight rearward trigger press, but finger placement is different for others with longer (or shorter) fingers.
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Shooting Low Left

It's a sticky. Lot of info for your enjoyment.
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Old August 10th, 2014, 09:34 AM   #7
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What a dope. The sight is all the way to the right......
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I maybe wrong about this, but my experience is that it's the shooter 99% of the time.

Took me a little time to learn how to shoot my Shield and I was coming from FS M&P's.

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I will bring a sand bag on the next trip to the range. I am on vacation this week so will be next weekend. In reading all of the stuff about low/left, I would think it is me more then the gun. Just thought it was funny that the sight was moved to the right out of the box.

The 2 things that I think that I could be doing is squeezing to hard with my week hand and not enough trigger finger. I shoot uspsa a lot and usually squeeze a lot with my week hand to help with recoil and faster follow up shot and I shoot a light SA so really just use my finger tip for the trigger. I will try going to my first nuckle and try to keep a normal grip and see what it does off a bag.

I am surprised that I haven't had this problem with any of the Glocks that I have owned or the M&P 40 FS that I have shot. When I first shot my 40 FS the first 3 shots from the new gun at 15 yards I could cover with a quarter in the x ring.....
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I was shooting low/left when I first started shooting my Shield as well. This diagram and practice fixed that problem. I'm no great marksman, but no more low/left.
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I can tell you that not all Shields are targeted before they leave the factory. I put 700 rds through mine and consistently shot 3" groups to the left @ 7 yds. I had Ameriglos sights installed and low and behold I miraculously started shooting groups dead center. I find that an odd coincidence.
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Just about everybody shoots LL with the Shield when it's new.
Especially coming from a F/S pistol. On my rear sight the RH side is
flush with the edge of the slide. The LH edge is maybe .020" from the
edge of the slide. The front sight is narrow so there seems to be some slop
from side to side.
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I will bring a sand bag on the next trip to the range. I am on vacation this week so will be next weekend. In reading all of the stuff about low/left, I would think it is me more then the gun. Just thought it was funny that the sight was moved to the right out of the box.

The 2 things that I think that I could be doing is squeezing to hard with my week hand and not enough trigger finger. I shoot uspsa a lot and usually squeeze a lot with my week hand to help with recoil and faster follow up shot and I shoot a light SA so really just use my finger tip for the trigger. I will try going to my first nuckle and try to keep a normal grip and see what it does off a bag.

I am surprised that I haven't had this problem with any of the Glocks that I have owned or the M&P 40 FS that I have shot. When I first shot my 40 FS the first 3 shots from the new gun at 15 yards I could cover with a quarter in the x ring.....
Both of those things were what I had to adjust as well. I needed a little more finger on the trigger and I was holding on to tight with my strong hand. Needed to loosen up a little.

My experience is that it didn't take me as long to learn how to shoot a FS gun. I think they are more forgiving of my errors!
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My solution to the M&P Shield shooting left,

Apology first, for reviving an old thread. I felt compelled to register and leave a post on this particular post and a few others where people posted the shooting left problem (in case their search brings them to another similar thread) I found my answer buried in the echo chamber of replies stating the same thing "user error." Google returns MANY threads with this same issue, and everyone literally ignored the actual problem, me and many other people have.

STORY:

YES, some of you shooting left MAY be squeezing your thumb too tight, or using TOO much trigger finger. If fixing these things (or you weren't doing them in the first place,) didn't work, I offer you the solution I found:

Brand new shield 9mm (no mag disconnect, no safety,) been breaking it in over the last year. Stock sights from factory, shoots dead nuts. No problems. Want to start carrying this as CPL, decide to upgrade sights.

Gunsmith down the street installs TruGlo TFX Pro's (so far awesome btw.) Take the pistol out a couple months later and it shoots left 3" at 7 yards, wont hit my small target at further distances.

A shield rear sight is un-adjustable for windage or drift (per owners manual.) It should be perfectly centered and set screwed into place. I think there may be .002" adjustment but that will not effect shot that much. You should be able to eyeball your rear sight and see it perfectly centered. You should also technically use a straightedge and a caliper.

Front sight is completely adjustable for windage (drift.)

SOLUTION:

Check your front sight post. Its completely adjustable for drift. Mine was aligned slightly to the right. In order to get the pistol to bullseye, assuming you are using correct shooting technique, you will need to move that front sight post LEFT.

If you shoot left, you need to check if your sight is aligned to the right. If it is, you will need to have a gunsmith adjust your front sight post.

Personally, I did it myself, carefully. I took a pencil and drew an outline of the sight on the frame. This way, when it starts moving I can see if it adjusts past the pencil mark. I used doubled electrical tape as a barrier between a wide punch and the post and I tapped the post LEFT. Start out with a few short put followed through taps. See if it adjusts. Admittedly, I did have to tap it pretty hard to move it. It will start moving. Don't over adjust.

I hope this helps clear up some confusion on another possible problem instead of the cop-out "its your fault." If you google M&P warranty issues you'll see the slew of crap they do. Their customer service sucks. That said, we do trust our lives to their products. So we need to hold them to some standard.

Also, some argument that I saw people make, "Oh if it shoots left 4" you'll still hit your target and put down the threat." Another one: "just aim right, and deal with it" - These are both false. Even hitting center mass with a 9mm or .40 there have been plenty of real world situations where the threat was still able to engage. IMO, practice an accurate double tap center mass with accurate follow up double taps until the treat is eliminated. Your pistol should shoot on target 100% of the time if you do your job. This way, in a situation, if you miss, only you are to blame. Also, if you are in a situation that doesn't allow you to aim properly for whatever reason, you know that pistol will shoot straight if you aim in the right direction. You dont have to account for that extra few inches. Confidence is also important.

Anyway, end rant. Sorry again for reviving an old threat.
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