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Old January 30th, 2016, 06:01 AM   #16
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i have not read the thread.... but get "legal heat" app for your phone.
it gives you all the laws in each state. incase you travel and need to know.

i know our state when they run my DL they get that i'm a CC permit holder.

i normally give them both my DL and my CC license when i go through a road block. i havent been stopped for a traffic violation but i'd give them both at that time too.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 02:07 PM   #17
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The wallet I carry has an outside window and this is where I keep my Carry Permit. In every instance I can recall, since I got this wallet, the officer, watching my hands and what I am doing, has seen the permit and asked if was carrying. I always answer in the affirmative and have been asked where it was and I told the officer where my handgun was on that day. As yet I have never been asked to show the gun or be hassled for being armed. Your mileage may vary.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 05:26 PM   #18
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I'm in Wisconsin, and got pulled over the other day (first time since getting my CCL back in 2011). I had my DL and CCL out and in my hand before the officer walked up to the car, kept both hands on the wheel and handed them over when he asked. After a short time in his car, he came back, gave me a verbal warning to "slow it down" and I was on my way. No issues whatsoever. Whether or not the CCL had anything to do with that, I don't know, but as a former LEO myself, I know I appreciated being told up front...
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Old February 1st, 2016, 08:18 AM   #19
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Concealed carry is legal in many places and failure to announce to every cop you encounter that you're carrying is NOT a crime nor a violent/threatening action. If you want to do that, it is your choice and in some locations is required during a traffic stop. Failure to do so when NOT required is not justification for a tazing, body slam or anything else.
You need to learn how to comprehend what you are reading better. You are reading things into this that are not there. ...or a new Troll ??? We are talking about a Traffic Stop not a normal everyday encounter on the street.

What we have here is Failure To Communicate...

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Old February 1st, 2016, 08:50 AM   #20
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Thanks for the inputs, all y'allz.
Any Cali folks have tales dealing with our CHiPs?
That would be my most likely spot for getting pulled over.
I roll 8K miles a month for work; mostly on Interstates from the SF Bay Area to the Oregon border, with a few trips into Nevada and back.
Once I get my CCW, I'd like to know which county areas are 'hot' and which are 'cool'.
Glenn County is notorious as a ticket zone for our CHiPs.
(I've been nicked with 2 there before I got my radar detector...)
I'm all good with hands on the wheel and revelations; if it was me as the LEO, I'd certainly like to know asap what I'd be having to deal with.
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Old February 1st, 2016, 07:35 PM   #21
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You need to learn how to comprehend what you are reading better. You are reading things into this that are not there. ...or a new Troll ??? We are talking about a Traffic Stop not a normal everyday encounter on the street.

What we have here is Failure To Communicate...
Not a failure and not a troll, but I understand that when people are unable put forth logic arguements, they often resort to name calling and otherwise demeaning the views that run contrary to their own.

Let me be clear on my opinion, if you are pulled over for a traffic stop in a state where you are not required to preemptively show your permit, an LEO has no justification to taze you and any LEO who believes they do, should not be wearing a badge. Your simple statement about that particular LEO'S blusterous comment was quite clear and easy to understand.

Apologies that my opinion has upset you.
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 04:32 PM   #22
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I agree with kdweaver.

I once got pulled over by VSP on my way back to Prince William County from Bedford Country (200mi/4 hour drive). I was doing about 10 mph over.

As soon as his lights came on, I turned on my signal, pulled well off the road, place my vehicle in park, turned on the emergency flashers, lowered my window and waited with both hands on the wheel.

When the officer approached and asked for my license and registration, I replied that I had a CCW permit and a pistol on my right hip.

He said okay and again asked for my license and registration. As I handed them over, he asked if my license was clean to which I assured him it was.

He went to his car and did whatever it is they do. When he came back he asked the inevitable "Do you know why I pulled you over?", to which I said yes.

As he handed my documents, he told me to slow it down and have a nice day.

I think the reason he did no cite was because of all the steps I took,

I pulled over and parked safely
I informed him I was armed when I did not have to
I did not give him attitude and did not try to BS him about why he pulled me over.
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Old February 5th, 2016, 02:36 PM   #23
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In NM it is not required. I hesitate to even mention it unless they ask me or asked me to step out of the car, then I would. And really? An officer unloaded someones gun and gave them the bullets in a baggy?
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I've seen and heard of instances where the officer decides it's in the interest of safety for him to remove the firearm until he's completed whatever he's doing then returns it. If they're interested in the safe thing regards a person who is legally carrying, they should leave the gun in the holster and with the legal owner. If it makes them that nervous to be around a legally armed citizen then they're in the wrong field. Better yet, avoid it all and keep your permit to yourself unless required/requested.

Cops run in my family so I'm not coming from an anti-cop perspective. I have a lot of respect for LEOs that show respect for free citizens, which from my experience is nearly all of them.

I choose to not announce (not required in my state) because what they don't know is no danger to them regards to me carrying or not and won't give them a reason to be any more apprehensive. That said, if I think it's possible at all that they could see my gun (like if I realize the insurance card is in the box with my gun - not likely), I would produce my permit up-front. I have learned how to keep my gun concealed on my person or a special spot in my vehicle when driving so this is unlikely.

Anyway, just my opinion and few details on why I hold it.
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Old February 5th, 2016, 03:39 PM   #25
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@ Rainsong:
Baggied bullets appears to be that FL officer's CYA response.
I hear that in NY/NJ areas they just take your piece and cite you; good luck on getting it back.
AFTER you pay the ticket off...
I've just got to be concerned with the different approaches in NorCal counties.
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Here in Illinois we had to put our drivers license number with the CC application so they already know your a CC holder so it will be up to them to ask. You don't have to disclose right away.
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@ Rainsong:
Baggied bullets appears to be that FL officer's CYA response.
I hear that in NY/NJ areas they just take your piece and cite you; good luck on getting it back.
AFTER you pay the ticket off...
I've just got to be concerned with the different approaches in NorCal counties.
Given todays "Open Season on cops" mentality, I don't blame the officer at all.
LIKE I SAID, "Better safe than sorry.
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Old February 6th, 2016, 11:33 AM   #28
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Here in Illinois we had to put our drivers license number with the CC application so they already know your a CC holder so it will be up to them to ask. You don't have to disclose right away.
our CC# is the same as our DL#
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Old February 6th, 2016, 02:30 PM   #29
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I would be much better with them taking my gun, IN the HOLSTER, if they felt like I was a threat than having them try to unload an unfamiliar weapon. I am NOT anti LEO, but I see no reason to elevate a simple traffic stop by announcing I'm a CC'er unless I'm asked or asked to step out of the car, if not required.
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I've been stopped multiple times in the 15 years I've had a permit to carry.As in, more than ten. I drive a 420hp car and I enjoy doing so. I have four friends who are cops. Between my experiences being stopped and my conversations with these guys about the stupid shit that people do? Here's my advice.

Windows always down - even if yours aren't tinted they can reflect the sun or headlights of other vehicles. All the cops want to do is to be able to see the hands of everyone in the vehicle when they approach, so that they know they'll get to go home to their kids. Turn the dome light on if it's dark, and have the engine turned off.

In an early traffic stop, gun was on left hip and wallet in left rear pocket. I informed him because I didn't want him to catch a glimpse of a pistol while I dug my wallet out. The officer had me slowly remove the wallet with his hand on his sidearm with the thumb snap removed - which I was perfectly okay with. That situation is just extra stress that neither of you need.

Typically once you inform them, and they get to see the permit, they proceed as if it's a normal traffic stop from that point forward. And your odds of getting out of the ticket are quite excellent if you told them first. And were honest about the fact that you were speeding, and you're polite and apologetic. If they caught you, they caught you. Don't lie about it. Cops deal with people lying to their faces all day long. Honest people are a refreshing change.

I have twice been disarmed and they ran the serial # on the gun, then returned it unloaded and sent me off without a ticket for the speeding infraction. This is rare, but isn't a big deal if it happens.

Also, I was stopped in Texas once and was not armed. I did not inform her I had a permit given the lack of a gun. She ran my TN license and the handgun permit status came up in her system two states away. She returned and asked why I hadn't informed her, and then suggested I always do so.

I open the conversation with "I do have a valid handgun permit and I am (or am not) carrying a handgun on my left hip, how would you like me to proceed?" when they approach. If nothing else it instantly informs them that you have no felonies or large misdemeanor convictions, and generally that is information that you WANT them to have.

Here are the biggest things I can suggest to every permit holder:

  1. Always inform the officer. Always. Even if it's "I do have a valid permit to carry a handgun, but it is at home." (Notice how the word PERMIT is placed well before the word GUN?) This puts you in the "never been convicted of a major crime" club - you want them to know that right at the beginning, don't you?
  2. Keep the three pieces of ID you will need (insurance and registration, drivers license, handgun permit) in a different place than your weapon. If the gun is in your glove box, move the paperwork somewhere else.
  3. Realize that seeing you rummage through the center console is more of an unknown to them than the glove box. They can get a pretty good view of the glove box if they position themselves and they pull out a flash light. Down inside your center console it isn't as easy to observe your hands. Putting the gun in the center console and paperwork in the glove box might be a better idea than vice versa.
  4. When I am pulled over everything is in my wallet. Why? I toss it in the cup holder when I drive, so it's right there. The cop can see everything the hands are doing with my wallet laid open on the steering wheel... It also gives them plenty of time to observe the "front and center" government ID that pretty much always causes the locals to let me off with a warning.

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