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Range Report for large to small groups.

This is a discussion on Range Report for large to small groups. within the MP SHIELD Pistols forums, part of the Smith & Wesson MP Forum category; Was planing to get a aftermarket barrel once they came out for my Shield 9. (Apex, Talon, Night Sights). The first 200 rounds I spent ...


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Old August 9th, 2016, 12:01 PM   #1
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Range Report for large to small groups.

Was planing to get a aftermarket barrel once they came out for my Shield 9. (Apex, Talon, Night Sights).

The first 200 rounds I spent more time with my sight pusher than shooting. I was sand bagging the heck out of it and are about 20 feet could not get under a 8 inch group.

I've done this enough to know it was not me, sandbagging and also used a pistol vice from a bench.

Last time at the range things tighten up a bit after I again drifted the rear sight. Was shooting about 4 inch groups.

Don't know what broke in but now the barrel must line up about the same each time.

Went out over the weekend, 20 feet, freestanding, first shot 10 ring, about a 4 inch group freestanding with most close or in the 10 ring, about 20 shots.

I know it was not my grip or trigger placement, I wonder if there was a small bur in the slide where the end of barrel rests or on he end of the barrel.

Normally it's me, just getting used to a new gun but not in this case.

Anyone else find the gun itself got more accurate after break in?

I am now pleased as punch with the gun, before it seemed "good enough" for 15 foot shots but on the edge compared to what I am used too.

Now I am shooting at 20 to 25 yards just to see what I can pull off, about 8 inch groups at 25 years, not bad, that's all me, old eyes and small gun. If I really take my time at 25 yards I can hit close to the 10 ring.

The gun impresses me more and more.
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Old August 9th, 2016, 04:05 PM   #2
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Mine got better and better and after 2000 rounds I'm really good with it. I'm sure it was me though, not the gun.
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Some guns do seem to settle in after they've been shot a bit, including rifles.
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Old August 10th, 2016, 06:56 AM   #4
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I can say it gets better after break in for sure. I can also say that it groups tighter when it's about 50+ rounds dirty vs. clean. But the biggest difference I have seen with my shield is with ammo.

At 7 or 10 yards, if I run Winchester white box 115, the groups are a good 3" - 4" or so, and LOW, 4" low! Don't ask me why they are low, it's just cheap ammo, that's all I can come up with. $23 per box of 100 at WalMart.

However, running Winchester Train & Defend (Train) 147, the shield become a surgical instrument and I can get 1" to 2" groups no problem. 5 rounds touching is common. It just costs almost double per box, and only ONE LGS carries it @ $21.95 per box of 50 rounds. I live in NY and cannot order ammo on line But I did manage to buy a bunch for $16 per box at the same LGS. I printed out the online price, and asked how many boxes I needed to buy to get that price... I was told 4 or more... I bought 13 boxes of it that day, it was all they had

I have loaded mags of both of the above, rested on sand bags, and alternated between the two. Results are always consistent.

For cheap ammo, I have found that the Federal 115 ($23 per 100 at Walmart) groups much tighter than the Winchester white box, but not as good as the Winchester Train & Defend stuff. But it's not low like the white box either.

Your mileage may vary!
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Old August 10th, 2016, 08:41 AM   #5
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My Shield was pretty accurate out of the box. It has improved to be accurate beyond my expectations. My early 5" 9mm Pro on the other hand still patterns like a shotgun even with the latest barrel upgrade from S&W. I love how it feels and want to make it work so a gunsmith fit Apex barrel is next on the list.

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I can say it gets better after break in for sure. I can also say that it groups tighter when it's about 50+ rounds dirty vs. clean. But the biggest difference I have seen with my shield is with ammo.

At 7 or 10 yards, if I run Winchester white box 115, the groups are a good 3" - 4" or so, and LOW, 4" low! Don't ask me why they are low, it's just cheap ammo, that's all I can come up with. $23 per box of 100 at WalMart.

However, running Winchester Train & Defend (Train) 147, the shield become a surgical instrument and I can get 1" to 2" groups no problem. 5 rounds touching is common. It just costs almost double per box, and only ONE LGS carries it @ $21.95 per box of 50 rounds. I live in NY and cannot order ammo on line But I did manage to buy a bunch for $16 per box at the same LGS. I printed out the online price, and asked how many boxes I needed to buy to get that price... I was told 4 or more... I bought 13 boxes of it that day, it was all they had

I have loaded mags of both of the above, rested on sand bags, and alternated between the two. Results are always consistent.

For cheap ammo, I have found that the Federal 115 ($23 per 100 at Walmart) groups much tighter than the Winchester white box, but not as good as the Winchester Train & Defend stuff. But it's not low like the white box either.

Your mileage may vary!
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The difference in the elevation of the point of impact is caused by the difference in bullet weights; 115gr/147gr. It isn't because the ammo is "cheaper".

Group size difference; yes, due to velocity differences and standard deviation being higher.

Now, as far as the Federal 115gr shooting to the same POI as the Winchester 147gr; I'm at a loss on that one, unless the range is pretty short. But then, why is the WWB shooting low that close?

That's unusual for sure.

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Two groups, two Shields

Here are two groups from two shields. The one on the reduces paper silhouette is from my friends Shield with Federal Premium HST 9mm 147 Grain +P JHP and the steel is mine with Hornady Critical Duty 135gr both fired at 15yds.

Shield Horady Critical Duty 135ge Sm.jpg

Shield Federal Premium HST 9mm 147 Grain +P JHP Sm.jpg
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My brand new Shield 9 went for its maiden voyage yesterday and was stellar.
85 American Eagle 124 FMJ
20 Federal 115 JHP
7 federal HST 124

Flawless and superb accuracy.
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