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Old December 25th, 2016, 09:56 AM   #1
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Performance Center Trigger upgrade? Polishing internals?

Hey, I was just wondering if anyone's contacted S&W about purchasing an upgraded trigger kit for the Shield? I plan to contact them this week. It's my understanding that the PC model Shield has a slightly better trigger than the model I bought. I purchased the 10086 model (9mm, night sights, w/o safety).

I find that I'm shooting about 6-8" low at 7 yards when I attempt to "quick draw and fire two shots". I'm trying to aim fast and shoot fast, and I always seem to shoot low.

On a side note, the gun will shoot very tight to one hole groups dead-on-bullseye if I take my time to deliver each shot with precise accuracy, using the same ammo (Assorted 115 grain factory target ammo).

My manipulation of the weapon is obviously the problem, but I'm wondering if lightening up the trigger would help with moderate to fast-paced shooting accuracy.

I'm guessing my stock trigger is over 7lbs.

I understand Apex makes a kit as well.

I also watched several videos about polishing the internals of the stock setup. My concern is that some of the parts I would be required to polish are supposedly injection molded parts and just hardened on the exterior. I'm scared that if I were to break through this hardened exterior I may expose a softer interior that could wear with time and cause a potential problem with the safe and effective operation of the gun in the future?

Also, $170 for a trigger kit seems expensive on a $400 gun.

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Old December 25th, 2016, 11:31 AM   #2
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Welcome to our little corner of the web! First of all, you don't want a light trigger on a carry pistol, light triggers are great on the range but can be dangerous for concealed carry.

I have 3 M&P's, a 40 full size, a 9mm Pro Series 5", and a 9mm shield for concealed carry, the first two have triggers with some Apex parts in the fire control system, but the Shield is bone stock for safety reasons.

If you must modify the trigger use the Apex Duty/Carry Kit for the M&P Shield, available for $92.95 from Apex, but if you shop around you can often find a better price.

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Old December 25th, 2016, 12:28 PM   #3
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Hey, thanks for letting me in!

I agree 100% about having a trigger that's too light. I would, however, like something lighter than what I currently have. I shot a Springfield 1911 Range Officer in 45acp last week and the trigger is way too light for a carry gun.

The lower two hits on the Osama target were from the Shield in a "quick draw and fire two shots" drill at about 7 yards, aiming for center mass (I'm lefty).

The squirrel target illustrates what kind of group I was able to get when taking my time.

I know it's just a matter of patience and practice before I can quick draw and put two fast shots on center mass at around 7 yards consistently.

Is there a favorite sight removal tool around here? I'm in an apartment, so access to a bench vise isn't very easy for me to come by, currently.
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Old December 25th, 2016, 12:43 PM   #4
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Cole,
Sounds like you are trying to run before you know how to walk.
You don't indicate how long you've been shooting or what experience you have. Sounds like you are new to the sport with a firearm (not a weapon).
Instead of the "quick draw and fire 2 shots" approach you should concentrate on proper trigger control.
Once you have that down then go to a controlled draw and fire approach.
That quick draw and fire for a new shooter has resulted in the "fire" not hitting the right target, like your leg.
If you are not a new shooter, my apologies, and good luck.
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Old December 26th, 2016, 03:21 PM   #5
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Welcome to the Neighborhood!

If you're coming to the Shield from shooting full size guns it might take you a little while to learn how to shoot a gun with a shorter sight radius. Low and left is a common problem we hear with shooters.

It would also help to know what sight picture your using. The Shield, as with all the other M&P's with iron sights use a combat sight picture. Hope this helps!
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Old December 26th, 2016, 04:46 PM   #6
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I agree with trident... OP`s info is kinda vague... but we`re ALL here to try to help.

Cole,
if you can, find a "REAL" good firearms training facility. You really should get professionally trained if you want to become proficient. Like trident also said, learn to walk very well before you try to run. Its repetition and consistency that will get you to your fast draws... all comes with strict discipline... train every day... and HOPE & PRAY that you will never have to use your training to defend yourself & loved ones.


You can find a sight removal tool on ebay. I`ll post you a link in here for the correct one. Get your wallet out, they aren`t cheap. Be VERY aware, slide mounted sight pushers have been KNOWN to crack the slides (improper use of the sight pusher) on M&P shield slides. They are rather thin in the slide area. If you over torque the main holding fastener and you dont fit the slide properly into the tool, you`ll break the slide. Just trust me on this, i`ve had friends that thought they knew what they were doing and cracked their slides. And S&W will NOT warranty it when you send the gun back to them to be fixed. They know exactly what to look for, they`ll log your serial number in their data base, you will no longer have the lifetime warranty on your gun. Last but not least... dont buy a cheap sight pusher just to save a few bucks, you`ll regret it.

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If you're coming to the Shield from shooting full size guns it might take you a little while to learn how to shoot a gun with a shorter sight radius. Low and left is a common problem we hear with shooters.

It would also help to know what sight picture your using. The Shield, as with all the other M&P's with iron sights use a combat sight picture. Hope this helps!
No doubt...!!!!!
To much trigger finger, pulls the gun hard left and down.
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Old December 26th, 2016, 04:59 PM   #8
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trident11,

Yea I've been shooting since I was a kid so no offense taken. I don't know all of the correct terminologies either, thanks for the correction. My "quick draw and fire two shots" drill was the best way I knew to describe what I was doing. I would load 2 shots into the magazine, rack the slide and lower the gun to just above bench level. Then raise it while gathering a two hand grip, acquiring the target, and firing 2 shots as quickly and accurately as I could. I'll try to slow it down and focus on accuracy next time I'm at the range, and the speed will come. Thanks for the comment.
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Bill in TX,

Thanks for the greeting. You're right on with the full-size comment. An XD 5" Tactical 9mm was my only semi-auto handgun for years, and I really enjoyed shooting it. That's definitely what I'm used to shooting in a semi-auto pistol.

I was actually using the sight picture in the middle to aim with, and doing well on that close-up squirrel picture at about 7 yards. I think that was an 8 shot group with 3-4 seconds between shots.

I know I'm definitely pulling the trigger (and the whole gun) down and off target, and probably anticipating recoil a little bit during my quick shot drill.

Thanks for the info, definitely helps!
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I ordered this Sight tool, and changed sights for the first time ever last week. I swapped out the sights on my PC Shield for TruGlo TFX. I couldn't believe how smooth it went with this tool. The key to it, IMHO is to make sure you have the slide in the tool properly and securely. And use the cut up credit card like they advise...worked great.


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PaPow,

Thanks for the greeting! I guess I should detail a little more of my handgun experience. I basically just shot at cans and targets occasionally over the years, but never at a proficient level like hickok45 can shoot, I was never that good at shooting targets fast. I have really good aim, breathing, and trigger finger control from years of deer hunting with rifles so I could probably give him a run for his money on the gong, lol. I'm able to shoot a good group under ideal circumstances, but I want to get as good as he is.

I guess I should probably do a search for a good training facility, shouldn't be hard because I'm in Atlanta, GA and there's a lot of stuff to do down here.

I actually already ordered a cheap sight pusher off eBay last night. I'd already heard about the slide cracking on a Shield, but that was a good reminder, I'll definitely keep that in mind and probably put the slide in the freezer before trying to push the sight out. I know I won't force anything, it's not worth a new slide. One of the reviewers said it worked on the Shield so I'll see what it looks like when it arrives and go from there.

Thanks for the help and the reminder about the slide!

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steved13,

Thanks for the link. That tool looks a little better than the one I bought, hopefully, mine works as well. I'll remember that about the credit card.

Thanks for the help!
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I removed the rear sight on my PC Shield9 to put in an Apex striker block, and it was uneventful. I think that's probably because the Hi-Viz sights used on the PC models don't have that extra lobe on the dovetail that some members have posted pics of.

I use a JMT sight pusher.

I used it to center both the front and rear sights on my Shield 45, as it came from the factory with both offset to the left identically. I guess something was set a little off-center in the machine when it went through. Anyway, those took a bit more force to move.
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I removed the rear sight on my PC Shield9 to put in an Apex striker block, and it was uneventful. I think that's probably because the Hi-Viz sights used on the PC models don't have that extra lobe on the dovetail that some members have posted pics of.

I use a JMT sight pusher.

I used it to center both the front and rear sights on my Shield 45, as it came from the factory with both offset to the left identically. I guess something was set a little off-center in the machine when it went through. Anyway, those took a bit more force to move.
Rick, you got any pics of your sight pusher...?

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Never mind, i found their website...thanks buddie
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Rick M,

Did you only replace the striker block? If so, how's the trigger pull weight before and after?
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