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Old January 10th, 2017, 08:52 AM   #1
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CA Shield Modifications and Magguts +2 Kit

Ok, folks. This is an ongoing project of mine since December 2015. Since, I'm new here, I wanted to contribute my experiment and aid anyone that could use this info. This thread is basically a copy and paste of my thread in my local California firearms forum so the timeline is off. Just note that this all occurred in the span of 1 year. The key part is the data provided.

My newbie thread is here:

Poor Soul from California


Below is my imported thread. Happy reading.


I won this Shield from a $20 raffle to charity + $25 for DROS making my OTD cost a whopping $45 for a BNIB Shield, one 7-round flush mag, and one 8-round extended mag.




I've shot one before and never really liked it. I'm a Sig, metal, double stack kind of guy, although I love my P320 and own an HK P2000, I figured I'd give this a go.

Now everyone seems to want to go off the CA roster and would pay the additional few hundred dollars of difference. I've compared the differences of the CA version vs non-CA and there's nothing that equates to the CA Private Party premium difference in cost. Cool factor?

The LCI is basically the only major change or hindrance to the CA version; I personally hate that it distracts my view and have read that LCIs "may" cause malfunctions. The manual safety is a non-issue since I won't use it anyways so it's cosmetic. Mag DC, blah blah; easily removable.



My conclusion, the CA model vs non-CA just isn't worth the price difference. So, I decided to take the money I would've spent buying a shield and use it to get upgrades. Shield is $419 at my local FFL.

Upgrades:

Mag DC, sear safety, and manual safety are all easily removable. I didn't remove my manual safety yet, but will once I find a filler. I've seen folks use old floppy disks as the filler material, but will need to research more. Now there are some people claiming that the manual safety is required for keeping one of the pins in.

S&W certified armorers have testified on various forums that it is not and can be removed without issue. Also the non-manual safety versions don't have them and do have additional parts in that region. So I call it FUD.

MDC and sear safety completely removed as I'd never use the sear safety to begin with. I understand that some folk have heartburn about these things, but it's an experiment.

Talon rubber grips - $10
Pearce 7-round pinky extension - $5
Additional 8-round mag - $0 (Won as a secondary prize during the same raffle)

I removed the Talon grip from the extended mag and cut it to fit the Pearce extension for the carry mag. I didn't like how it prevented the servicing of the extended and figured that I would need the additional grip texture more on the carry mag.




CA LCI replaced with the Apex Tactical LCI Block - $20 from Amazon




Sights are great for factory and can be improved with a sharpie - $0. Will likely nag my sister to let me use her super skanky girl, bright orange nail polish to redo the front sight. I would like Trijicon HDs, but those sum-beetches are expensive and not necessary at this time.




Mag capacity easily upgraded without changing body size using MagGuts.com Shield specific springs. Currently one 8-round carry and two 9-round spare mags. So 8+1 in carry mode plus two 9-round mags = 27 rounds to deploy in a lightweight, slim, highly concealable pistol is pretty darn good.

I've tested them fully loaded, partially loaded, 1 round, administrative reloads, malfunction drills, +1, load from slide locked back, load from slide forward, etc. . . and all mags functioned flawlessly with 100% reliability. Slide locked back each and every time. The MG setup actually reduced the spring tension allowing for easier +1 loading.

Now, I didn't like the MG floorplates because they protruded outside of the baseplates and impeded the extended mag a bit. No problems with +1, but it does make it a bit tougher to finger push the carry mag with +1; slamming home is no problem. I will have to say that if it annoys you, deburr the corners of the follower as they are a tad sharp.

MagGuts Shield Springs - $22 each x 3 = $66






Since I didn't want to splurge on Trijicon HDs, I figured I'd add a light since this will likely be my primary EDC. I chose the shield specific, Viridian RTL with ECR and figured 100 lumens is plenty for this pistol. It mounts to the trigger guard and definitely lights up a room.

It came with a so so, novelty OWB holster (the old version came with an IWB that is no longer available), but I carry IWB so will probably order an Alien Gear 3.0 with ECR magnet and probably a Remora sticky with ECR magnet for sweatpants or gym shorts days. I can deploy the pistol with the light automatically activating this way.

Viridian RTL-Shield with ECR - $90






Ammo used for testing was approx 100 rounds of 125 gr Miwall Reloads. I have not yet tried HP/SD ammo yet, but will soon since this pistol will likely be my EDC.

I learned that I had to modify my grip a bit and add more tension with my support hand with the Shield. Once I figured it out, I started cutting out the center of the target. Next time the target will be cleaner.




Go easy on me. I'm used to shooting Sig P229s so the lightweight striker thing is new to me. Not quite used to the Sig P320 yet either. I tried to shoot the N, S, E, W locations of the outer circle at 7 yards. The rest were 5 yards in the C zone of the IDPA target. I do have Trijicon HDs on this pistol; only because I got them for $100 from a local member here.




Itemized cost:

Shield w one 7-round mag and one 8-round mag - $45
Talon rubber grips - $10
Pearce 7-round pinky extension - $5
Additional 8-round mag - $0
Apex Tactical LCI Block - $20
Sharpie, tactical sights - $0
MagGuts Shield Springs - $22 each x 3 = $66
Viridian RTL-Shield with ECR - $90
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Total cost: $236
Cost of Shield new: $419 + 36.66 (8.75 tax) + $25 DROS = $480.66

Remaining funds to spend: $244.66

All in all, I'm very satisfied with the pistol and the outcome. The AG 3.0 and Remora holsters will probably run about $40-50 each after all is said and done so I'll still have about another $150 to spend.

What's next?

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Old January 10th, 2017, 08:53 AM   #2
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Ok, after talking about getting "Skanky girl, bright orange nail polish" to paint my front sight for the past week, the little lady in my life went out on her own to get me a bottle. She said she wanted to support my hobby and wanted to be involved. She then told me she wanted to build an AR together. I said I'll go buy some lowers.

Skanky girl, bright orange nail polish




It pops quite a bit in person; the pictures don't do the color justice. I used a toothpick to drip the nail polish into the "cup" of the front sight. Let it dry for about an hour then applied a second coat. I smoothed it out to prevent a concave or convex shape. I found that flush worked better and didn't shine.






I liked it so much I did the same thing to my HK P2000






Most recent target. I've gotten better; still a few flyers, but much better now that I know how to hold the pistol.

MagGuts springs still 100% reliable. No issues of any kind.

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Went over to my buddy's place for a BBQ and we decided to give the manual safety delete mod a shot.

Popped out the sear assembly then used a crayon to trace out the shape of the safety lever slot. We used that template to cut the rough shape out of the black floppy disk. Make sure you use the thicker of the two halves and cut the shape from the rough textured side (inside of floppy is smooth). Sand the piece to fit.




Safety twists right off of the sear assembly. There is an internet myth that the manual safety is required to keep the sear pin in. It's a lie, FUD, and idiotic paranoia. S&W certified armorers have debunked the myth along with S&W's very own Shield without manual safety being identical in sear assembly design.




Gorilla glued the piece on. We'll see if it holds up. If not, I'll use epoxy next time and will probably add another plate on top of this one, but slightly thinner. The floppy disk material wasn't as thick as I liked.




Slide on:






Test functioned with no issues. Will test fire this weekend and report back on hold the little plate holds up.

Cheers and thanks to my buddy for keeping outdated technology around!
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Ok, Gorilla glue held through 150 rounds of Miwall 124 gr 9mm reloads. Good to go!

I also ended up really liking the Sig P320's Trijicon HD sights in yellow. I found that it was more precise and didn't blur as much as the orange. Additionally, the yellow "popped" better in darker light conditions where the orange was harder to see. I decided to redo the front sights of my other test pistols to mimic the yellow color.

I went to Kohl's and bought "Tennis Ball Yellow", "Black Licorice", and "Snow White", nail polish colors to test. I used black to redo the rear sights since the Sharpie black had a purple-ish tint to it; much better now.

Control: Sig P320 with Trijicon HD Yellow



Shield:


HK P2000


Ruger SP101. Since the front sight post was black, I painted on a base coat of white first then applied the color coat. I found that orange was better suited for the stainless steel sight picture.



Side project: The P2000 pictured here is not the same P2000 originally posted. I swapped my 9mm variant for the .40 variant because I had too many 9mm pistols and wanted a larger caliber to carry. While waiting for the 10-day, I ordered a few parts to upgrade.

The HK45C Mag Release is a common upgrade in the HK community. I figured, "What the heck, let's try it." The upgrade seriously makes a WORLD of difference. Mag changes are much, much easier now with thumb, index, or middle fingers. Manipulating with my off-hand was a breeze as well.


Before:


After:



Also OEM .357 Sig bbl for multi-caliber carry. I plan on carrying Underwood's hot, hot 1500+ FPS 125gr Gold Dot rounds.
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Sent more rounds down range today. Oddly, the only thing to fail so far from my Shield project was the Talon grips. Tsk tsk. Sending an email to Talon about this.






On the bright side, the P2000 performed flawlessly. .357 Sig was a hoot to shoot. It handled both .40 and .357 Sig no problem; very controllable. Not as good as my P229, but still good.


EDIT: QA from Talon
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Q How long do your grips last?
A We guarantee that our grips will last 90 days. If the instructions are followed correctly, these grips can last years (depending upon use, storage, etc).

Not even 90 days, but it's obviously a wear and tear item so I won't bother to contact them. Experiment yielded a negative result.


01/10/17 UPDATE: Talon has introduced a newer, wrap around version of their grips. The V2 is holding strong as it wraps around and tucks under the initial contact point.
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11/5/16 Update: MagGuts +2 Kits using Gen 2 Z-Springs

Here is the kit



Opened and comparing Gen 2 Z-Springs (Left) to the Gen 1 dual springs (Right)



Note the differences in followers. Gen 2 Left and Gen 1 Right





Here are the springs installed into the mags, loaded to max capacity. Left to right: Flush mag with new MG Gen 2 +2 kit, OEM extended with MG Gen1 +1 kit, Extended with MG Gen 2 +2 kit.





Inserted into the Shield:

Flush with new Gen 2 +2 Kit


OEM extended with Gen 1 +1 kit


Extended with new Gen 2 +2



In case anyone was wondering, the original nail polish mod is still holding strong:




I took it to the range and tested the kits. All performed flawlessly with Miwall 125GR reloads. I shot over 100 rounds without issue. Each mag was loaded to capacity (9 and 10) with 1 in the chamber to test tension.

Note that the spring tension is considerably tight with the flush mag, but the new extended mag had a bit more give. I'll continue testing a few hundred more Miwall loads before testing the 147 GR Gold Dots that I normally carry.

Size wise, I like the new flush mag; it has just enough for a pinky purchase, but not too much to hinder concealment. I'd say the difference between the new MG baseplate and the OEM extended is about the size of the OEM flush mag's base plate. You can see the difference in the photos above.

When paired with the new extended mag, the Shield is the same grip length as my Sig P320C. Essentially, it feels like a true compact grip. I really like it.

I wish I snapped photos of the targets. I forgot how accurate this little gun was. It made me look good in front of the Army vet that I brought out. He hadn't shot for a while so I decided to take him along. He said that his old eyes weren't working as well as they used to, but the Shield was dead on. We were shooting the center "C" out like no one's business at 5, 10, and 15 yards. He wants one now lol.

So in this case, I'm packing the same set of rounds as my P320C, but in a much slimmer profile. I will compare against my P320SC at a later time as that also packs 10+1.

Here are the comparison photos with the Shield placed on top of my P320C:






Based on my testing, these are good to go and worth looking into. As usual, I will report updates as they are completed.

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Thanks for the informative post. I just ordered a Shield and this gives me a great starting point.
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Thanks for posting. I really enjoyed your play-by-play account of your mods.

One question, and I apologize if I missed the explanation in your postings, but where did your second extended magazine come from at no cost to you?
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Thanks for posting. I really enjoyed your play-by-play account of your mods.

One question, and I apologize if I missed the explanation in your postings, but where did your second extended magazine come from at no cost to you?

Thanks! It was a secondary raffle prize during the same raffle so I guess I won twice. Looks like I missed putting that data in.

I'll update.
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I like it, I have done most of those mods to my Shield other than the light and the chamber indicator.

Really like your P2000, I carry a USP Compact most of the time in 357 Sig, love the round, mainly because of Underwood ammo, 1,500 FPS 635 ft. lbs (according to FBI tests on youtube). Amazing stuff.
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I like it, I have done most of those mods to my Shield other than the light and the chamber indicator.

Really like your P2000, I carry a USP Compact most of the time in 357 Sig, love the round, mainly because of Underwood ammo, 1,500 FPS 635 ft. lbs (according to FBI tests on youtube). Amazing stuff.

You did the safety delete also? I want to see what yours looks like and what material did you use. Please share.

Yea, buddy! The HK tames the .357Sig quite a bit. Not as much as a P229 does, but still really well. It's on par with my P320. The USPc is compatible with the HK45c mag release also. It's a worthwhile upgrade.
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You did the safety delete also? I want to see what yours looks like and what material did you use. Please share.

Yea, buddy! The HK tames the .357Sig quite a bit. Not as much as a P229 does, but still really well. It's on par with my P320. The USPc is compatible with the HK45c mag release also. It's a worthwhile upgrade.
I have a 9 and a 40. Only my 40 had a safety (as there were no other models at the time).

I wish I could buddy. I tried plastic and carpet tape, plastic and bit of super glue, Scotch all weather two sided foam tape with a small piece of electrical tape over the top, non skid black tape, a left over chuck from tallon grip tape. Everything I tried blew off in no more than 2 mags down range.

I first just filled off the tab so the safety was there but was not functional but that let the switch flip up and down too easy and sometimes it would be up, drag on the slide bottom and cause jams. Once it took the lever down it works great.

I be glad to send you a picture of the hole but I am sure it looks just like yours.

Gotta love the 357, have two glocks in 357 but my latest and second fav over the USPc is a VP40 LE with a aftermarket 357 sig barrel, I have never shot 40 out of it yet, will for practice down the road due to ammo cost but have blown about 500 round of 357 sig out of it and it has been a flawless tack driver.

Sadly out of the endless firearms I have shot I have never shot a Sig in 357 Sig, it's either on my bucket list if I find someone around here that has one or I will buy one, I just am not sure which one to buy. (Read just enough to see that some models have far better triggers than others, many said the DAK or something like that is the one to avoid)
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I have a 9 and a 40. Only my 40 had a safety (as there were no other models at the time).

I wish I could buddy. I tried plastic and carpet tape, plastic and bit of super glue, Scotch all weather two sided foam tape with a small piece of electrical tape over the top, non skid black tape, a left over chuck from tallon grip tape. Everything I tried blew off in no more than 2 mags down range.

I first just filled off the tab so the safety was there but was not functional but that let the switch flip up and down too easy and sometimes it would be up, drag on the slide bottom and cause jams. Once it took the lever down it works great.

I be glad to send you a picture of the hole but I am sure it looks just like yours.

Gotta love the 357, have two glocks in 357 but my latest and second fav over the USPc is a VP40 LE with a aftermarket 357 sig barrel, I have never shot 40 out of it yet, will for practice down the road due to ammo cost but have blown about 500 round of 357 sig out of it and it has been a flawless tack driver.

Sadly out of the endless firearms I have shot I have never shot a Sig in 357 Sig, it's either on my bucket list if I find someone around here that has one or I will buy one, I just am not sure which one to buy. (Read just enough to see that some models have far better triggers than others, many said the DAK or something like that is the one to avoid)

Oh, you need to shoot one. The P229 was made specifically for the .357 Sig round. Sig beefed up the P228 to create the P229 to handle the higher pressure. The Secret Squirrels, US Air Marshals, and a few other agencies still carry this weapon. This was the weapon that the Secret Squirrels opted into after Regan was shot and after realizing that their .357 Mag revolvers were insufficient in capacity. They wanted to replicate the .357 Mag's power, but in semi-auto so Sig Sauer answered the call with the .357 Sig.

As to the P229, it depends on what you want. Mine is a legacy P229 with a short extractor, half slide serrations, and no rail. All of the new models have the longer extractor and full slide serrations; just a newer design.

If you want a rail then just pick any P229 then add an SRT (I highly recommend it as no plastic trigger will ever feel as good as a metal trigger) or you can buy a variant with the SRT outright.

If you don't want a rail then the SAS will be your best bet and it comes with the SRT already installed, however it is no longer produced. The Elite versions will be are the ones you want.

It looks like you may have to buy the standard Nitron or Legion models as they seems to be the only version that comes in .357 Sig now. Change the grip, trigger, and add the SRT later depending on your preferences.

I prefer the standard trigger over the thinner, ergo trigger. The E2 grips are fine, but I much prefer the Hogue G10 grips.

When in doubt, PM me with what you're looking at and I'll explain the details to you. I do recommend that you go and feel the different variances at your local FFL to get a gauge of ergos.

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I will take you up on that PM. I just cut and copied your sig post, thanks a ton, it will be much help, I need to give it a few month rest due to a six month handgun buying spree. I put a match grade combat trigger in my USPc, not too light but smooth as butter and changed the safety to just a decocker. I carry one in the pipe but decocked.

I can tell you know your stuff and if (when) I go down that road you can advise me of a modification if I find something a bit off for my liking (which is most of the time).

Thanks Buddy, I will be in touch.

PS: Used to know a sig guy, this was during the 10 round ban (he did not have a 357 but was going to re-barrel a 40), I never thought the ban was going to go away so I stocked up on hi caps, I have six 357 sig hi caps for some sort of sig pistol he told me to buy. 229 sure sounds right, fingers crossed.

I sure will be in touch buddy, thanks for the offer!
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I prefer bright green nail polish myself!

I put a layer of whilte under the green to make the green pop!
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