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Ballistic gel testing with Shield .45

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Old January 18th, 2017, 06:01 AM   #1
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Ballistic gel testing with Shield .45

Using a Shield .45
Here is results from 4 layers of denim test using a 6x6x20" clear ballisticgel block. Temp 28degrees, humidity 47% and pressure 30.3inHg. Previous test done with bare gel is further below

With both HST and Ranger 230+p and 230 standard pressure was very inconsistent. Around half the rounds would clog with denim and pass through 20" with no expansion. When they did expand penetration was only 11 1/2" This was the exact same results as Federal HST 230+P and standard pressure. 3 out of 4 rounds would fail to expand and passed through
Hornady XTP 200 gr +P also failed to expand 3 out of 4 times and then one time it went to 19" and .51 expansion.
Magtech 230gr JHP failed to fire! The striker would not even dent the primer!
Underwood 120gr Xtreme defense did very well and penetrated to 17" 4 out of 4 times. Of course no expansion with the solid copper bullet
Corbon 165+P DPX expanded beautifully and penetrated 9-10" each time.
The clear winner today was Corbon 185+P DPX.
4 out of 4 expanded beautifully and penetrated to 14 1/2-15" each time. It also performed exactly the same in bare gel.
The bare tests are below

I did a impromptu clearballistics FBI BARE gel test about a week ago.
I used Shield 45
6"x6"x16" clearballistics FBIgel with wood backstop
It was 17 degrees F, 61% humidity, Pressure 30.3%
I used my .45 Shield
Federal HST 230gr= penetrated 11 1/2" expanded .82
Federal HST 230 gr +P= penetrated 11 3/4" expanded .80
Critical duty 220 +P = passed through block. recovered in wood .51"
Underwood Extreme defense 120gr=passed through block recovered in wood
Winchester Ranger 230gr (RA45T)=penetrated 11 1/2" expanded .75-.85"
Widest petal was .85
Winchester Ranger 230gr+P (RA45TP)=penetrated 14 3/4" expanded .75-.85
I then shot 4 more rounds of Ranger 230gr+P and they went from 14 1/2" to 14 7/8"
So with my little test I will be carrying the Ranger 230+P.
Just thought you might be interested in the results.
The Federal HST expand beautifully but don't even penetrate to 12" with the shorter Shield barrel.
Here is update.
I did Speer Gold dot 230gr Standard pressure=13"penetration with .625 expansion
Corbon DPX 185gr+P=14 1/2" penetration with .75 expansion
I still like the Ranger 230+P so far with 14 1/2-14 3/4" penetration and .85 expansion at widest point.
One Corbon turned completely around 180degrees
Both expanded nicely
ON SIDE NOTE:
I also tested 9mm out of a Glock 43 with 4 layers of Denim
HST 124gr standard pressure was the clear and decisive winner by a land slide
5 out of 5 penetrated to 18 1/2" and all expanded beautifully
Hst 147 and 147+P also clogged with denim and some expanded and some passed through 20" block
Speer gold dots 124+P did not perform well. Only 1 expanded and penetrated to 14". the 4 others did not expand and passed through 20"
I did two .357 sig out of a G33
Corbon 125gr DPX pentrated 14 1/2" and expanded nicely
Underwood 125gr gold dot ROCKED the block. It hit so hard the block lifted up.
Penetrated 16" and expanded beautifully to .60"
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Old January 19th, 2017, 04:43 PM   #2
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Old January 19th, 2017, 05:28 PM   #3
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http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self...llistic-tests/

How does this report compare to your test?

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Luckygunner was using a Kahr CW45 with a 3.64 inch barrel, the M&P Shield has a 3.3 inch barrel. Not sure how much of a difference that extra .34 of length makes, but I have both of my 9mm's loaded with 147 grain HST and my 45 with 230 grain HST.
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If you want REAL test results, go to the chicago morgue, you`ll find lots of dead gunshot victims there. I dont know why all these people think that gel & denim tests mean anything.
Its not even close to the human body as far as what can be determined.
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If you want REAL test results, go to the chicago morgue, you`ll find lots of dead gunshot victims there. I dont know why all these people think that gel & denim tests mean anything.
Its not even close to the human body as far as what can be determined.
Care to share you knowledge on how many of these people in Chicago were shot with the M&P Shield 45?
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Care to share you knowledge on how many of these people in Chicago were shot with the M&P Shield 45?
Thats not the exact point i was trying to make... now your just trying to split hairs.
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Thats not the exact point i was trying to make... now your just trying to split hairs.
So staying on topic and asking your specific questions about the topic is splitting hairs? I see............
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So staying on topic and asking your specific questions about the topic is splitting hairs? I see............
Ok...glad you can see now
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I believe the old maxim- 9mm may expand, but .45 never shrinks.
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Old February 7th, 2017, 08:40 AM   #11
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Ballistic gel doesn't have a rib cage, or a backbone, or any other kinds of things that disrupt a bullets trajectory in the human body. I carry .40 cal. I will empty the magazine so there won't be any question as to the final result. There have been so many different tests with ballistic gel, and they all come out with a different conclusion. I would suggest that shooters become efficient in face shooting. Then the tests won't mean diddly.
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Ok...glad you can see now
I see you have a complete lack of understanding the terminal ballistics of handguns.
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