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Old January 19th, 2017, 11:12 PM   #1
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Hard to insert magazine alleviation

So I just got my Shield 9mm just some days ago and while the 8 round was stiff to insert, the 7 round was impossible with out slamming it in very hard (harder than it should need)

After a while I got sick of it and looked up fixes but could not find any.
Do you know of any fixes?


I did find one thing that worked for me without doing anything to the springs. It did not work super great, but enough for now.

I took the magazine apart, cleaned inside the tube and the spring, and then coated the inside and outside of the tube in tuf glide, the spring, and the follower as well.

Making sure to have it dry, I ran a blow dryer over them and finally took a piece of towel and ran it through the tube and wiped the outside and the spring and follower.


Put it back together and now it inserts a bit easier (and rounds are slightly easier to insert) - still needs a slam to get it in, but it no longer stings my hand so much.
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Old January 20th, 2017, 09:17 AM   #2
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If I understand your problem correctly, all you need to do is lock the slide open when inserting the mag, once the mag is locked into place you can pull the slide to the rear to release the slide. It is very common for mags to be hard to lock into place if they are fully loaded and the slide is closed, an AR-15 is a very good example of that, and the solution is the same, lock the bolt to the rear, insert mag and release bolt.
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Old January 20th, 2017, 09:33 AM   #3
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Both my shield 40 and 45 require a good smack if slide is closed. Slide open is easy peasy.
Nothing wrong with gun or mags and after some "use" it will get some what easier but will likely require a lil smack on the butt.


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Old January 20th, 2017, 12:24 PM   #4
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Completely load both the 7 round and 8 round mags, then push down, as hard as you can, on the top round. Do you see how little extra 'push' (or give) there is with the 7 round mag, compared to the extra room the 8 round mag has? This is why the 7 round mag is harder to seat than the 8 round mag.

With a closed slide, the bottom of the slide pushes on the top round in the mag and (apparently) takes ALL the extra give that the 7 round mag has to offer. In short, either the springs, or the legs of the follower are bottoming out. That is why they are so tough to seat.

If you're not opposed to aftermarket springs, one of the side effects of the MagGuts springs (besides giving you 1 extra round) is giving more extra 'push' room when the mag is fully loaded.
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Old January 20th, 2017, 09:54 PM   #5
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Settle your mags by slapping the back of the mag in your hand. After doing that to mine, the mags pop right in the gun with no problem.
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Old January 20th, 2017, 10:26 PM   #6
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if none of that works one less round could be loaded. I had to do that with a now resold gun that I was testing. It just wouldn't hold all of the rounds that was suggested in the advertisements (Canik TP9SA). Good gun otherwise with good support.
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I cut one winding off the bottom of the spring from the 7round magazine. Problem solved, gun works fine.
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I ordered 2 8 round ProMag magazines from a seller on eBay, and they arrived today. They seem like very good quality, and are only $19.35 ea, with free shipping.

They also include a note from ProMag:

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When a magazine is new it can have VERY stiff springs. Because of the spring stiffness yo may have a difficulet time loading the magazine to full capasity. This is not due to a defective magazine!

In order to break in the magazine spring, load the magazine to the highest capacity that you're able to load it to and let the rounds sit in the magazine for 3-4 days. After the 3-4 day period has passed, unload the magazine and see if you can now load the magazine to full capacity. If you're still not able to load it to full capacity, repeat the process and the spring tension should relax enough to allow you to more easity load the magazine to full capacity. Over time you'll notice that the magazine gets much easier to load.
While this notice doesn't directly address the issue of putting the full magazine into the gun, the problem is caused by the same thing, a very tight magazine spring. So, This seems to confirm what a few others have said about it getting easier with use and patience.

The eBay deal is from "GoOutDoorGear", item #171979997487
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Old February 7th, 2017, 05:13 PM   #9
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I ordered 2 8 round ProMag magazines from a seller on eBay, and they arrived today. They seem like very good quality, and are only $19.35 ea, with free shipping.

They also include a note from ProMag:



While this notice doesn't directly address the issue of putting the full magazine into the gun, the problem is caused by the same thing, a very tight magazine spring. So, This seems to confirm what a few others have said about it getting easier with use and patience.

The eBay deal is from "GoOutDoorGear", item #171979997487
Either that, or, ProMags use a weaker spring wire that weakens with use quickly when fully loaded. That may cause feed issues soon. You can take that either way.

S&W Mags are expensive, but how many feed failures do they have? I have not seen many complaints in that area. In a carry gun, reliability is a must, in case you need it. Aftermarket is great for practice.
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So I just got my Shield 9mm just some days ago and while the 8 round was stiff to insert, the 7 round was impossible with out slamming it in very hard (harder than it should need)

After a while I got sick of it and looked up fixes but could not find any.
Do you know of any fixes?


I did find one thing that worked for me without doing anything to the springs. It did not work super great, but enough for now.

I took the magazine apart, cleaned inside the tube and the spring, and then coated the inside and outside of the tube in tuf glide, the spring, and the follower as well.

Making sure to have it dry, I ran a blow dryer over them and finally took a piece of towel and ran it through the tube and wiped the outside and the spring and follower.


Put it back together and now it inserts a bit easier (and rounds are slightly easier to insert) - still needs a slam to get it in, but it no longer stings my hand so much.

Remove two loops of the spring and you will be a happier camper. That's what I did.
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Remove two loops of the spring and you will be a happier camper. That's what I did.
That has the possibility of causing feeding malfunctions, so it could help, OR it could mess up your feeding rounds because the spring is too weak to push the rounds up properly.
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 03:04 AM   #12
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Hard to insert magazine alleviation

I dont get cutting the spring to fix a non issue.
Just use a lil persuasion and they go right in. I only use extended mags on my 40'and 45 shields and have no prolems loading mags or inserting and I carry both +1 Always.
Its a GUN not a WOMEN its OK to "slap it on the arse"
You will have mag issues at some point Im pretty sure as the spring "loosens" from use and looses some of it rebound ability it WILL start to mis feed.

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Old February 22nd, 2017, 10:56 PM   #13
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S&W Mags are expensive, but how many feed failures do they have? I have not seen many complaints in that area. In a carry gun, reliability is a must, in case you need it. Aftermarket is great for practice.
I've purchased the 8 round mags for $22.50 on eBay and they're authentic S&W mags.
Pro Mags? No thanks. tried one and first round didn't chamber and after that several double feeds and FTF's.

People at my local gun shop warned me. lol

They won't sell them in their store.


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You'll notice a wear mark on your slide if you've used it for a decent amount of time. That's due to the rounds being pressed against it as they're seated. As has been said, with the slide locked to the rear, you won't have any issues seating the magazine. It's only hard time seat because you're compressing the spring and rounds.

I can also put my full support behind Magguts. They make a quality product that doesn't have the potential to foul or kink on itself. I've seen it at the range and that scares the crap out of me. All of my magazines run Magguts now.
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Other than MecGar for PPK's I wouldn't use an after market Mag. MecGar makes the original PPK springs so they are fine. I have had too many after market springs that did not work right.
I would rather load one less than cut a spring, but mine does load ok, hard when slide is closed but mostly it will be open during a reload & that is easy.
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