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Old January 20th, 2017, 04:58 PM   #1
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Range report

Finally got to the range with the Shield. Ran 50 rounds of Blazer Brass 124 gn fmj, 50 rounds of Fiocchi 115 gn fmj and 25 rounds of Hornady Custom 124 gn XTP which is my carry ammo and had no malfunctions of any kind. It performed flawlessly. Shot it out to only 10 yds but it grouped nicely with all 3 brands of ammo. I wouldn't hesitate to defend myself with it if necessary.
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Old January 20th, 2017, 08:35 PM   #2
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Sounds like you have a keeper. Glad it's working out for you.
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Old January 20th, 2017, 09:55 PM   #3
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There ya go... good to go
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PaPow, You beat me to it my friend, but I have to (hopefully) politely disagree with you.

I don't want to pee on your parade Chowda, but if you plan on carrying the gun you need to made aware of some things. When someone begins a post that way they mean they're going to pee on your parade. Sorry, but I want to jerk you back to reality for your own good. I would prefer to not read your obit' that begins, "He meant well...", and I know that you do .

What you did is a step in the right direction, but any gun should be able to function with FMJ, so that's no feat and it's meaningless as it reflects on your SD ammo and saving lives. OK, so let's get serious or just leave the gun in the safe.

Running 25 rounds of SD ammo through the gun is a good start. But a few hundred run through the gun (the same SD ammo you intend to carry) w/o malfunctions will prove it for carry. Yes, it'll cost some cash to do it, but what's your life and the lives of your loved ones worth? The gun wasn't free was it? 25 rounds is statistically insignificant. I could fire one round without a malfunction and claim that it's 100% capable of reliable function. Of course that's ridiculous. To know if the rate of malfunctions is lower than 1% one needs to fire the same ammo and a lot of it; hundreds of rounds. That's a meaningful statistic.

Will your gun function 100% when you need it to, based on your range session? Maybe. But you didn't test it sufficiently to actually prove it no matter how comfortable you are with your test. You may be comfortable with your test and putting your life on the line with it, but the reality is that it proved nothing since you didn't complete the test with enough rounds fired. But you can always fire more rounds in subsequent range sessions to prove it out. All the rounds don't need to be fired in the same session. I'm writing that you can add to what you've done to complete the test.

I'd prefer that you not carry a gun for SD that merely might be capable of 100% functionality with your carry ammo.

Even if the gun is 100% capable you still should practice malfunction drills. Why? Because Murphy was an optimist. Feces happens when it hits the fan. You want your gun and gun handling skills to be superlative and reflexive. If you need to think about what to do in that situation you've already lost because you'll be slow.

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Well nowwww, you ole`coot... you can disagree with me all you want, but your still an ole`coot...lol.
I do agree with what you said buddie, i just didnt feel like typing all night like you did, or i woulda been all outta breath...hehehehe
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Well nowwww, you ole`coot... you can disagree with me all you want, but your still an ole`coot...lol.
I do agree with what you said buddie, i just didnt feel like typing all night like you did, or i woulda been all outta breath...hehehehe
You probably would have been out of money too if you put as many rounds thru all your carry pieces as he recommended.
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Personally, I think running hundreds of rounds of SD ammo to "prove out a gun" is a waste of money.

I have yet to find a gun that if it will get through a couple mags of SD ammo, it fails at a higher round count of that same ammo in the same gun condition.

What I think is that it is more important is to prove out the the gun and SHOOTER in general and that can be done with any ammo, not just the expensive stuff.

The shooter should be familiar with firearm intimately as well the gear (holster, mags, light) and conditions of carry. He/she should know how that firearms presents from under a sweater or coat if that is what they wear.

They should know how that gun/shooter shoots in all kinds of conditions (no/low light, cold/hot, etc.).

I fully expect that every gun that I own to fail to fire at some point. I better know how to get that gun running again. Every type of firearm that I have owned has failed at some point either due to ammo or mechanical issue (broken FP on revolvers, broken extractors, bad ammo, light springs, etc.).

Rather than spend the money on 500 rounds of SD ammo, most would benefit more from a good advanced training class and regular practice to anchor those skills.

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Now we're up to 500 rounds of ammo. Sheesh! It doesn't take 500 rounds for statistical significance. A few hundred is plenty (200-300). It could even be reloads that use the same components and mimic the real stuff for velocity and COAL.

BTW, just shooting the stuff doesn't do much. But training with it would be of value.

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Guns and Ammo magazine writers says to put 1,000 rounds thru to make sure a gun works.
They must own stock in a few ammo companies.
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I agree, 1,000 rounds is ridiculous. I`m with brother Brian... 2 to 3 hundred is enough.
If you got a gun that requires 1,000 rounds before you can carry it, you bought the wrong dam gun.
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BTW, I didn't pull that number of rounds out of thin air. That's what Ayoob suggests because it's statistically significant and won't put most folks into the poor house. If it's a financial hardship then one balances actually KNOWING that the gun won't fail and replaces that with the hope that it won't fail based on finances. Most of us have been in a tight financial situation at one time. I get it. Then again, without knowing his financial situation he might be able to do the round count and get the training+.
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It could even be reloads that use the same components and mimic the real stuff for velocity and COAL.
+1 Many of my reloads are similar in felt recoil impulse and bullet weight as my SD ammo.

I would be lying though in stating I load like that all the time due to gun games
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Or you could just carry a wheelgun!
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Or you could just carry a wheelgun!

Hopefully without an exposed hammer...lol
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Personally, I think running hundreds of rounds of SD ammo to "prove out a gun" is a waste of money.

I have yet to find a gun that if it will get through a couple mags of SD ammo, it fails at a higher round count of that same ammo in the same gun condition.

What I think is that it is more important is to prove out the the gun and SHOOTER in general and that can be done with any ammo, not just the expensive stuff.

The shooter should be familiar with firearm intimately as well the gear (holster, mags, light) and conditions of carry. He/she should know how that firearms presents from under a sweater or coat if that is what they wear.

They should know how that gun/shooter shoots in all kinds of conditions (no/low light, cold/hot, etc.).

I fully expect that every gun that I own to fail to fire at some point. I better know how to get that gun running again. Every type of firearm that I have owned has failed at some point either due to ammo or mechanical issue (broken FP on revolvers, broken extractors, bad ammo, light springs, etc.).

Rather than spend the money on 500 rounds of SD ammo, most would benefit more from a good advanced training class and regular practice to anchor those skills.
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