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.45 Shield Malfunctions?

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Old March 2nd, 2017, 06:25 PM   #1
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.45 Shield Malfunctions?

On another Smith and Wesson forum there are several folks reporting some problems with their .45 Shields including various kinds of failures to feed and magazine drops. I found these reports after starting to have such problems with mine.

I've searched this forum and can't seem to find any such reports here.

I am working on these problems to determine if it's me or the gun.

I had run about 6 or so magazines through it after I bought it new and it performed flawlessly. I was ecstatic about this gun, loving everything about it, thinking I may have finally the found the perfect carry gun for me.

Then I started having issues with the slide getting stuck sometimes. It would be stopped part way back, but not locked back. It was up against the rear of the next round in the mag and the nose of the round was tipped down in the magazine with the front tip of the round up against the lower ramp in the frame. Pulling the slide back and releasing it would chamber the round and function normally after that until the next time it happened.

It got so that I couldn't get through a magazine without it happening at least once, often several times. Happened with both the 6 and 7 round mags that came with it. Tried different ammo, made no difference. Happened with ball ammo and hollow points. Didn't matter if the gun was clean or dirty.

I was also sometimes having the mag drop unexpectedly. Never came all the way out, just disengaged and stayed in the gun.

So I took both mags apart and cleaned and lubed them. Worked fine again for about 4 mags I think as far as the slide problem, then started happening again. I was still having the mag drop sometimes too.

Then I started working on my grip which I've never had a problem with before with any of several other semi autos that I use regularly, but I usually learn something new with each new gun I get. As soon as I started working on my grip, the mag drops stopped but I was still having failures to feed. I saw some improvement as I worked harder on a better two-handed grip. Soon I was no longer having the slide get stuck, but started having a few instances of the next round not getting picked up. After continuing to work on my grip and adding a Hogue Handall sleeve made for the .45 Shield, I have seen a definite improvement so far. I think I've gone through 4 magazines worth of shooting without any kind of malfunction, but I really have to work hard at keeping as firm a grip as possible with both hands in order to achieve this. I've never had to work so hard on grip before with any other gun.

I'm wondering if this gun is prone to limp-wristing issues which I've never had with any other gun or if there really is a problem with some of these .45 Shields that could be corrected if I send it in.

It's a work in progress but I thought I'd see if anyone here has experienced anything like this with the .45 Shield.
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I've had no problems with my 45 Shield, and the several people I know personally with 45 Shields have had no trouble with theirs, either.
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I haven't heard of anything like that, but the 45 Shield is still fairly new and there aren't huge numbers out there yet.
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I just bought a Performance Center 45 Shield and put almost 300 rounds through her today. It performed flawlessly with 4 different types of ammo and both the 6 and 7 round magazine. Accuracy was dead on too. I'll keep shooting and report back if anything changes.+
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On another Smith and Wesson forum there are several folks reporting some problems with their .45 Shields including various kinds of failures to feed and magazine drops. I found these reports after starting to have such problems with mine.

I've searched this forum and can't seem to find any such reports here.

I am working on these problems to determine if it's me or the gun.

I had run about 6 or so magazines through it after I bought it new and it performed flawlessly. I was ecstatic about this gun, loving everything about it, thinking I may have finally the found the perfect carry gun for me.

Then I started having issues with the slide getting stuck sometimes. It would be stopped part way back, but not locked back. It was up against the rear of the next round in the mag and the nose of the round was tipped down in the magazine with the front tip of the round up against the lower ramp in the frame. Pulling the slide back and releasing it would chamber the round and function normally after that until the next time it happened.

It got so that I couldn't get through a magazine without it happening at least once, often several times. Happened with both the 6 and 7 round mags that came with it. Tried different ammo, made no difference. Happened with ball ammo and hollow points. Didn't matter if the gun was clean or dirty.

I was also sometimes having the mag drop unexpectedly. Never came all the way out, just disengaged and stayed in the gun.

So I took both mags apart and cleaned and lubed them. Worked fine again for about 4 mags I think as far as the slide problem, then started happening again. I was still having the mag drop sometimes too.

Then I started working on my grip which I've never had a problem with before with any of several other semi autos that I use regularly, but I usually learn something new with each new gun I get. As soon as I started working on my grip, the mag drops stopped but I was still having failures to feed. I saw some improvement as I worked harder on a better two-handed grip. Soon I was no longer having the slide get stuck, but started having a few instances of the next round not getting picked up. After continuing to work on my grip and adding a Hogue Handall sleeve made for the .45 Shield, I have seen a definite improvement so far. I think I've gone through 4 magazines worth of shooting without any kind of malfunction, but I really have to work hard at keeping as firm a grip as possible with both hands in order to achieve this. I've never had to work so hard on grip before with any other gun.

I'm wondering if this gun is prone to limp-wristing issues which I've never had with any other gun or if there really is a problem with some of these .45 Shields that could be corrected if I send it in.

It's a work in progress but I thought I'd see if anyone here has experienced anything like this with the .45 Shield.
Can you post a video of you shooting it on here...???
I`d really like to see personally whats going on while your shooting it.
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Old March 3rd, 2017, 03:25 AM   #6
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Ill bet 10 to 1 the problem is YOU not the weapon.

All the issue sound like your nudging the release causing the mag to drop slightly but not fall (new gun and the mags drag quite a bit at first) out causing your malfunctions.
Try a different grip and or let someone else shoot it and see if they have issues with it.

I have close to 1500 rds down range with mine with FMJ JHP ammo in steel brass and aluminum cases with out one malfunction. All with 7 rd mags btw I never shot it with the 6 rd sold it bought all 7 rds I have 4 mags for it currently and all work perfectly.


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I've had mine for three months. The only feed problems I had were with 200gr. FP. I switched back to RN and have had no problems since. I have had no mag drops and no slide lock backs unless the mag was empty.
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Let me add my 2 cents. I have 600 rounds of everything from the cheapest fmj I could find to my self defense carry ammunition with zero malfunctions. I have four factory magazines 3 seven and one 6 round. No problem loading the magazines or pistol.
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Every gun I've had has taught me something and made me a better shooter. If that's what this one is doing, I'm ok with that.
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Every gun I've had has taught me something and made me a better shooter. If that's what this one is doing, I'm ok with that.
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Old March 3rd, 2017, 04:39 PM   #11
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I usually don't buy a new product that just came out. I like to wait and see how it works out for a while first, let them get the kinks worked out before I get involved, but I've been waiting for something like this for a long time and the initial reports were very encouraging.

Since this is my first M&P I never ran across this forum before and when I found it while searching for .45 Shield issues, I figured it would be a good new source of information.

I've seen lots of reports from people having no problems with the .45 Shield. Those are not hard to find. Hoping to get more input from those who are having issues like mine.

Thanks to all for the replies so far. Hope to see some more.
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With the several reports i see there is an issue unless someone is creating BS.

Disassemble your mag and the pistol

Insert the mag into the frame and jiggle the mag around. How much purchase does the mag release have? You can see where it engages.

Maybe s&w Effie's up and they had some out of spec mag release. Ask them for new ones and then measure and replace.

As for the rounds nose dive on the mags....make sure the springs are oriented properly and that you have the correct spring. Maybe someone at s&w put the wrong spring in there, it's damaged, or backwards. Ask for new springs from s&w and test again.

If you do this you can narrow the issue down. The nose dive rounds are what is stopping your slide from slamming home.
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A little more info.

I took my then new 45 Shield to a Threat Focused Pistol class (two day) last fall, that I was a RSO at.

The instructor (a good friend and my mentor) flew in from out of state, and wanted to use my pistol. He'd recently bought one himself, and wanted to use it to demo the various TFP skills that weekend. Obviously; he had no problems running the pistol all weekend.

We also had a "try it" table set up, for one hour during the second afternoon, where folks had brought a variety of firearms (including some very nice class three ones), for anyone who was interested in trying anything out.

I put the 45 Shield out (along with my Baer Custom Carry Comanche) and several shooters gave it a run, as it was quite new at that time.

None of the shooters had any trouble running the gun, and to date; it's still not had the first malfunction.

The Baer shot flawlessly as well, but it's not even close to new, and cost over four times what the Shield did. I think there may be an "FYI" in there somewhere.

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Ran four more magazines through, hollow points and ball, all Winchester White Box. Not a single hiccup.

From my experience with this gun so far, it seems to me that it might require a firmer grip technique than some other guns, which makes sense because it's a short barrel, very compact, lightweight package for a .45 caliber.

Those who already have a real solid, firm grip may not experience any issues, but others like me may have been getting along fine without any problems using a less firm grip with other guns and not realizing it.

It is strange that I and others have reported that it worked fine at first, but then started having malfunctions after a short period of use. I think this may have to do with the stiffness of the magazine springs when new. My problems seemed to start about the same time as the magazines became easier to load. Maybe the original stiffness of the magazine springs was making up for the problems caused by the less firm grip.

There may be more to it than that as well but anyway, that's my theory at this point.
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Ran four more magazines through, hollow points and ball, all Winchester White Box. Not a single hiccup.

From my experience with this gun so far, it seems to me that it might require a firmer grip technique than some other guns, which makes sense because it's a short barrel, very compact, lightweight package for a .45 caliber.

Those who already have a real solid, firm grip may not experience any issues, but others like me may have been getting along fine without any problems using a less firm grip with other guns and not realizing it.

It is strange that I and others have reported that it worked fine at first, but then started having malfunctions after a short period of use. I think this may have to do with the stiffness of the magazine springs when new. My problems seemed to start about the same time as the magazines became easier to load. Maybe the original stiffness of the magazine springs was making up for the problems caused by the less firm grip.

There may be more to it than that as well but anyway, that's my theory at this point.
You have to maintain a very firm grip on these guns. Otherwise, your adding to your problem. Can you do a video and post it in here so we can see what is actually happening...???
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