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Old April 10th, 2017, 03:00 AM   #1
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I have had to adjust to each pistol

A number of threads discuss the problems with shot placements when a pistol is new. Many shooters check and move front sights to better align them when they had not been installed correctly.

I have found that when I have two pistols of the same type, one might be dead-on to target while the other might print to a different point on target. The majority of the times, the sights were installed correctly. I simply had to adjust my handling of the pistol to hit where I was aiming. By this I mean, my hand hold, placement of the finger on the trigger, my aiming point, breath control and finally, the squeezing of the trigger.

Only two of the pistols I have owned were dead on target right out of the box. One was one of my Glock 21’s and the other, one of my Shield 9’s. All of the others required a learning curve as I became familiar with the characteristics of the pistol.
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A number of threads discuss the problems with shot placements when a pistol is new. Many shooters check and move front sights to better align them when they had not been installed correctly.

I have found that when I have two pistols of the same type, one might be dead-on to target while the other might print to a different point on target. The majority of the times, the sights were installed correctly. I simply had to adjust my handling of the pistol to hit where I was aiming. By this I mean, my hand hold, placement of the finger on the trigger, my aiming point, breath control and finally, the squeezing of the trigger.

Only two of the pistols I have owned were dead on target right out of the box. One was one of my Glock 21’s and the other, one of my Shield 9’s. All of the others required a learning curve as I became familiar with the characteristics of the pistol.
Good points. I'm only 200 rounds in on my Shield 9, w/ plenty of dry-fire practice. I wonder how many rounds it'll take for me to figure this one out. I've shot 4"+ barrels prior to this and usually goes where I want.

The 3" barrel definitely has a learning curve.
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Old April 12th, 2017, 07:52 AM   #3
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ALL of my pistols, whether they be 4" barrel, 3" barrel, Double-Stack, or Single-Stack, have required me to start from scratch, as if I were a brand new shooter (reviewing all the basics as mentioned and starting at 3 Meters).

This difference between brands/models/etc is basically why I only carry my Primary carry pistol (but regularly practice with my 3 back-ups) as opposed to 'rotating' my various carry pistols om a regular basis.
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Mass produced pistols rarely shoot the same, to many things change during the process of them being made. Like machine tooling that wears down during the process... broken tooling in a machine during production...etc etc etc. Anything made in quantity will always have imperfections in its process, unlike a custom hand made pistol... fit & finish are leaps an bounds far tighter tolerance over assembly line guns, which in turn, improved accuracy between custom guns. Its just my own assessment AND opinion, that people read to much into a mass produced pistols should be identical... far from it. You might get lucky enough to find a couple pulled off the assembly line that might shoot close to the same. Even when you jump from one brand to the next, its like trying on new shoes... there are growing pains that go with it.

This same process goes with ammunition... today you have a box of ammo from LOT such-n-such thats spot on, next year you`ll buy the same brand type size ammo that just sucks.
Its mass production folks... it isnt about quality anymore, its all about the numbers they can produce at the end of the day.

The bottom line in my opinion... no matter what the gun or ammo, can you shoot it effectively
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Whatever works for you is the way to go.
I prefer to adjust sight to my natural grip.
When I shoulder my rifles I have them all adjusted to my natural shooting position, whether it's a 10/22 or a .300 win mag all shoulder the same with scope in same position to give proper field of view.
Pistols I will adjust to my grip, have to many to require thinking which one I I'm shooting at the time
I've only had to adjust 3 pistols over the years
Have a Walther p22 that I had to use the taller front sight.
Sig p320 That needed to move 2" left
And just currently moved my new shield 4" to the right.

Pa pow will have a filed day with this, but that works for me.

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TVC15, if it works for you, GREAT...!!! Your firearms in someone else`s hands, will likely work differently. Same reason your boots dont fit me, my boots wont fit you. Guns are no different in that respect. If the gun fits you, and it`s comfortable, and it shoots good for you, GREAT. We`re all looking for the bullseye, it should not matter how or what we use, to get there. At the end of the day, its all good.

FIELD DAY...???? Really...????
Nope, your entitled to your own opinion just the same as i am. I`m not here to argue with what works for you.

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PaPow makes excellent comments about “fit” of a gun to a person.

My experience with small pistols worn as deep cover along with my regular EDC, never worked well. I did a poor job of controlling sidearms such as a Kahr 4043 or Diamondback DB380. In fact, I was sorely inaccurate with them even when point shooting.

On the other hand, a government size 1911 or say a 4” Ruger GP100 and I bonded smoothly. I shot these size and types of weapons with confidence, marvelous hand control and dead-eye accuracy. They were a great fit!

Although the Shield9 is smaller than a government 1911 or a 4” revolver, I find its physical design and balance to be a great fit in my hands. I control it well and shoot accurately at defensive distances.

As I can no longer properly handle large size pistols or revolvers, the Shield9 has become my EDC. I am happy with it and have full confidence that, it will do the job of protecting me, family and friends as necessary.
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I am not a fan of adjusting sights to compensate to shooter behavior. If the gun is mechanically accurate with a correct sight picture, then a competent shooter will get center hits.

I have personally witnessed this several times where an excellent pistol shooter can pickup ANY handgun and the if the sight picture is true to POI, they will get hits.

Went to a top shot style match last year with a friend who is also our local clubs best shooter. They supplied guns and ammo. He shot every handgun more accurately than any other competitor. We are talking splitting playing cards with G43 and Shields and hitting ping ping balls suspended in air with wind using a snub nose revolver.

Saw similar in a class called You Suck It Is Not the Gun. Instructor shot every student pistol accurately. Some guns were off and in those cases sights might be off.

Certainly some guns shoot better for certain shooters, but adjusting sights for shooter behavior is masking the problem.
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PaPow makes excellent comments about “fit” of a gun to a person.

My experience with small pistols worn as deep cover along with my regular EDC, never worked well. I did a poor job of controlling sidearms such as a Kahr 4043 or Diamondback DB380. In fact, I was sorely inaccurate with them even when point shooting.

On the other hand, a government size 1911 or say a 4” Ruger GP100 and I bonded smoothly. I shot these size and types of weapons with confidence, marvelous hand control and dead-eye accuracy. They were a great fit!

Although the Shield9 is smaller than a government 1911 or a 4” revolver, I find its physical design and balance to be a great fit in my hands. I control it well and shoot accurately at defensive distances.

As I can no longer properly handle large size pistols or revolvers, the Shield9 has become my EDC. I am happy with it and have full confidence that, it will do the job of protecting me, family and friends as necessary.
Thank you for the kind words...!
WOW, that target dot....WOWWWWW i wish i could shoot like that again...lol
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I am not a fan of adjusting sights to compensate to shooter behavior. If the gun is mechanically accurate with a correct sight picture, then a competent shooter will get center hits.

I have personally witnessed this several times where an excellent pistol shooter can pickup ANY handgun and the if the sight picture is true to POI, they will get hits.

Went to a top shot style match last year with a friend who is also our local clubs best shooter. They supplied guns and ammo. He shot every handgun more accurately than any other competitor. We are talking splitting playing cards with G43 and Shields and hitting ping ping balls suspended in air with wind using a snub nose revolver.

Saw similar in a class called You Suck It Is Not the Gun. Instructor shot every student pistol accurately. Some guns were off and in those cases sights might be off.

Certainly some guns shoot better for certain shooters, but adjusting sights for shooter behavior is masking the problem.
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