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Just purchased my Sheild and not happy.

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Old April 20th, 2017, 03:49 PM   #1
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Just purchased my Sheild and not happy.

I know this has been covered before on this forum but it was some time ago.
Has to do with my Shield 9mm that I just purchased a few days ago. Had I known then what I know now I wouldn't have purchased it.
Has to do with racking the slide back and using the slide lock. I have one hell of a time doing either one.
It seems like the slide goes to the rear about half way then seems to hit a spot that it doesn't want to go any further back with out a lot of muscle. I also not sure how it should sound like when you rack it but mine doesn't sound like they do on the videos I have looked at.
Having read others here on the forum who have had the same problem(s) I do, I think it has a lot to do with the recoil spring. When I look at mine the flat piece that fits against the barrel link seems to have a small bend on the side and it has rough edges to it.
Well, before I give up on it and trade it off I decided to purchase the Stainless recoil rod and spring from Stainless Steel Guide Rods inc. and also the Handi Racker 2 which I will use to rack the slide a hundred times or more as I can't get to a range that is near me to shoot 200 round or so as yet.
I will have to see what happens. :hope
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I've heard bad things about aftermarket recoil springs.

I had the same thing, and notice it on many new Shields. When I first got mine, on its first cleanings, I'd see rust out of the inner guide rod (after cleanings etc). I shot it enough and cleaned it enough times that the inner guide rod is looking better. It has smoothened the slide a bit.

I thought of letting it sit in oil a bit but it got better before I tried.

As for difficulty racking the slide some have locked it back to try to loosen up the spring some.... shooting it will help as well. Could be technique (no offense my gf had trouble too, hard for her to adjust her technique). She wrote it off completely, tried other single stack 9s... I added rubber grip tape to the Shield and now it's hers.
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Stay away from the Stainless Steel Guide Rods inc. They dont work... i have tried a few of them in the 9mm shield`s... the quality of the recoil springs you get with them are hit and miss. If you end up with a lighter spring, it will beat your frame to death... ask me how i know... i ended up with a shield with a cracked frame. After a few more of their guide rods, that didnt work, (every guide rod they sent me had a different spring each time) i stopped doing business with them. I wouldnt give up on your shield yet... get a few hundred rounds thru it, it will get easier. Clean it oil it, shoot the hell out of it.
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Had I known then what I know now I wouldn't have purchased it.
Has to do with racking the slide back and using the slide lock. I have one hell of a time doing either one.
Did you not try to rack the slide before buying it? This, in itself, would have given you the information to have 'known then what you know now' and saved you some coin.

It always amazes me how little people do to inspect/check a handgun before buying.
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Old April 21st, 2017, 07:21 AM   #5
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I dont think many people really think about the way guns work when shopping... the excitement in gun stores overcome the thought process. Then when they buy it, get home with it, they start noticing things alot differently. Especially when its a type of gun you`ve never handled or owned before. Happens all the time... i`ve bought a couple here an there over the years that i wished i hadn`t bought, but it is what it is. The OP is just lookin for help & answers, and thats why we`re here. If he shoots the hell out of it, with growing pains going away, i`m sure he`ll begin to be happy with his purchase. I`ve bought a few shields since they came out, they surely aren`t for the faint at heart when new... they are among the stiffest guns to operate when new, but they do break in eventually. Clean, lube, shoot, repeat.
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I have muscle weakness in my hands, so I rack it back with an empty magazine inserted so I don't have to manipulate the slide lock at the same time and can devote all my hand strength to the racking itself.

Lock the slide back and leave it that way for a while to help break the spring in.
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I have muscle weakness in my hands, so I rack it back with an empty magazine inserted so I don't have to manipulate the slide lock at the same time and can devote all my hand strength to the racking itself.

Yike`s, dont let tex45 know you said that...
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Has to do with my Shield 9mm that I just purchased a few days ago. Had I known then what I know now I wouldn't have purchased it.
Has to do with racking the slide back and using the slide lock. I have one hell of a time doing either one.
Since their introduction five years and nearly 2 million units ago, Shields have been widely recognized and discussed as having slides that are often difficult to rack and lock back. Even a cursory scan of a few reviews would have found mention of that very common complaint.

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Having read others here on the forum who have had the same problem(s) I do, I think it has a lot to do with the recoil spring.
There are two huge hints that the "problem" involves the recoil spring: Shields are small guns chambered in reasonably potent calibers, and; Shields use a compound recoil spring assembly.

Shields and other smaller guns need heftier recoil springs than larger guns to control a given amount of recoil. It simply takes stronger springs to manage smaller and lighter slides moving over shorter distances.

Manufacturers use single springs when possible because they are simple and cheap. The use of compound recoil spring assemblies is a sign that the simpler and cheaper solution of single springs would not work well enough in a gun.

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I dont think many people really think about the way guns work when shopping... the excitement in gun stores overcome the thought process.
Precisely.

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Old April 21st, 2017, 08:39 AM   #9
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If you are able to get past this difficulty, your will find the Shield 9 to be an exceptional and easy to conceal weapon. I have two and consider them to be equal to or better than any high-end sidearm I have ever owned.

Right from the box on each, I had a horrendous time racking the slides and being able to disassemble each pistol. My advanced age and arthritic hands made it not only painful to move the slide but took all of my strength to do so.

I told myself that young people and even I when younger, might have had a time racking but we could have done it much easier than I could now.

I have sent 450 rounds down range on each pistol and now, racking while still stiff, is much, much easier than when the guns were new.

It is of no significance to me about the reason for the hard racking or take down lever difficulty, the fact is that both of my Shield 9’s are such fine weapons that I would not trade them for any other small 9mm. The Shield 9 balance is excellent; the pistol reliable and with them I am able to print patterns on target as well as I did with an Ed Brown semiautomatic or a Ruger GP100 at defensive distances.

Stay with it and in time after a decent break in, you will find that you did make a wise purchase.
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Old April 21st, 2017, 09:23 AM   #10
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I had the same issue after purchasing my Shield 9. I have had carpal tunnel surgery on both hands and arthritis settling into my right thumb. After manually cycling the slide periodically during the past couple months, the slide is much easier to manually cycle. It isn't an issue for me now.
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Old April 21st, 2017, 10:04 AM   #11
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The gf couldn't do the slide on my first Shield, her only gripe. I tried rubber talon grip tape on the serrations (I don't think they work that well anyway) and took it to the range. After 100 rounds, hitting plates at 10 yards, she decided it was hers. Less than a week later, she replaced it with a PC9.

The new PC's spring felt crunchy at first, seemed like the RSA. Cleaned and lubed and mostly mitigated now and ALMOST similar to the first Shield pictured with 435 rounds.

Here's a pic of the talon grip tape on the serrations that made it work for her.

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Racking the slide Shield MP9, yes it requires physical force thus hand strength which apparently is problematic for some individuals. I put five hundred rounds down range 200-Federal HST 147Gr-JHP +P , 200- Winchester Ranger 147Gr-JHP and 100- NATO Spec 124 Gr FMJ-Ball. Racking the slide is much less difficult now. I'm in my seventh decade but still physically active.
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I have muscle weakness in my hands, so I rack it back with an empty magazine inserted so I don't have to manipulate the slide lock at the same time and can devote all my hand strength to the racking itself.

Lock the slide back and leave it that way for a while to help break the spring in.


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Yike`s, dont let tex45 know you said that...


Actually he has a good grasp on doing it in a way that WORKS for him.

Shooting it will do WAAAAY more for the easing of the spring however.


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Old April 22nd, 2017, 09:57 AM   #14
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I would tell you to stick with your Shield. If needed get S&W to send you a shipping label to send it back, they will make it right. The Shield is probably the best concealable carry gun made, I'd hate to see you deprive yourself of it.
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Old April 22nd, 2017, 03:32 PM   #15
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Ok, I received my Hani-racker Friday and I oiled it up well. Started racking and dry firing and after 300 times I was able to rack the slide and it is getting easier.
So now I ordered the Apex trigger conversion (probably didn't really need it, but I enjoy installing stuff like that) After it gets here I have to strip it down and clean all the excess oil out of it and install the trigger.
Then I will take it to the range and fire off a couple of hundred rounds. By then it should be a simple thing to rack it.
Thanks for the encouragement and help. I ordered a Talon grip but decided not to use it and take greeenteeee's suggestion and attach the rubberized material to the slide, it did help.
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