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Old May 6th, 2017, 08:39 PM   #1
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New Shield 45 Today - Needs Work, but VERY doable...!

Brought home a new standard shield 45 today... couldn`t pass up the price (Gun was $394 - $75 rebate = $319)
I thought what the hell, another 45 will be fun to play with. (and just like every M&P, another one to fix an make it great)

As i suspected, noticed right at the store before i purchased it, as usual the trigger feels like shit... but fixable just like every other M&P i`ve bought.

As you begin to pull the trigger back slowly, you can feel it bump and grind as it approaches and push`s the blocker. (blocker bore will need a polish job...normal M&P grittiness) Another thing i noticed, this gun has a false reset... apex parts will fix that. The trigger also catches on the frame where it`s hinged safety device is supposed to clear the frame. This dosent happen all the time, but the apex trigger will fix this problem too.

Upon breaking the gun down to clean it when i got home with it, what do i see...???... the typical S&W blocker that didnt get finished off when it was made... there is material still in the center of the blocker that should have been filed off during production. Next problem S&W is known for, that dumbass flat faced blocker with a step in it. You can feel that step as you pull the trigger, as well as feel the tit sticking up in the middle of the blocker that should have been removed during the inspection process of the blocker. The surface of the blocker is rough as well like they just kept making them with worn out tooling. You can see AND feel the tooling marks right on top of the plunger. (good god S&W, wtf)

Upon further inspection, i noticed how dry the recoil spring assembly was... yep once again, made the gun harder to rack than should be. You could hear it scraping as you rack the slide. Cleaned it really good, dried it, sprayed dri-lube on it 3 different times every 5 minutes. Cleaned the rest of the gun, lubed with my grandpa`s special lube formula, now the slide racks like its riding on ball bearings. Now you dont hear a peep out of the recoil spring assembly... its VERY smooth now.

Now for the cosmetics... first thing i see, the front sight is sitting just to the right of center. The rear sight is sitting left of center. The front sight groove has milling marks on the right side in the dovetail. Left side of it looks ok. With the sights adjusted the way they are right now, i have a hard time believing that this gun will not likely hit the paper at any distance.

The mags... black stripe paint marks on both followers... so they were factory tested and approved. The gun came with a 6 round & 7 round. I noticed that these 45 shield mags have a small piece of metal installed in the followers, likely to aid in less wear on the plastic followers when pushing up the slide lock lever. I dont know if they ALL came like that from day one when they started building 45 shields or not, was just something i hadn`t seen or noticed on the 45 shields before. The 6 round mag says 6+1, but you will NOT get 7 rounds in it... but i think most people knew this already.

So tonight, i am ordering the usual apex parts to make this a nice gun... for what i paid for the gun, its worthy of apex parts being bought for it. Until the apex parts get here hopefully by next week, i`ll be out on my gun range sunday and give this gun the PaPow testing. I will come back an post how the gun does. First 200 rounds will be the good ole Federal redbox AE 230gr FMJ. After that, i will clean the gun, then run some Federal HST 230gr and some Winchester PDX1 230gr. First 50 rounds of defense ammo will be at 7yds, then 10yds, 15yds, 25yds. If i can hit clay pigeons at 50yds all day long with my 9mm PC shield and my glock 43, then this 45 should be more than worthy at 25yds. Can`t wait to see how it works with my pet reloads either... i think it will shoot them as good as any of my other 45`s once i APEX it.

Anyway... not hating on M&P`s here, just the usual sub-par quality that S&W sends out of their factory these days. If these M&P`s didnt fit my hand as good as they do, i wouldn`t waste my time with them. They feel GREAT in my hand, and i`m use to having to fix them to my liking. I do like to tinker... so its all good... and i dont have anything better to do anyway...lol. Now, i dont know if any of my review here will help anybody, but i just wanted to share my experience with the purchase of the 45 shield.

One thing i forgot to add... the trigger DOES break VERY clean and crisp... two thumbs up for that... but the re-set is nothing to be proud of.


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Old May 7th, 2017, 04:53 AM   #2
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Nice write up. What you found is one of the reasons for the low prices. I think they cut costs on secondary operations and inspections. Some of it has been there all alone (Striker block geometry design).

I love the guns and out of the box, great value. I also assume like you and most on the forum, some time and money needs thrown at them to go from a good gun to a great gun.

I really wish they would have just fixed the triggers in the 1.0 series and not bothered with the 2.0.
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Old May 7th, 2017, 06:07 AM   #3
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Nice write up. What you found is one of the reasons for the low prices. I think they cut costs on secondary operations and inspections. Some of it has been there all alone (Striker block geometry design).

I love the guns and out of the box, great value. I also assume like you and most on the forum, some time and money needs thrown at them to go from a good gun to a great gun.

I really wish they would have just fixed the triggers in the 1.0 series and not bothered with the 2.0.
Hawk, thank you... and i hear THAT, and i sooooo totally agree with every word in your post...!!!
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Great to hear you got a new Shield with the $75 off. I have been looking, but got the 9c instead, no discount . As long as I have been shooting, I should know more about working on guns, but I don't. I just shoot them . I do have fun tho.

I got a new holster on ebay for my 9c with a safety& it is great. Jroth holsters on ebay & $34.95. He made it to fit the safety which is hard to find. It is a nicer than any I paid a lot more for. Got it in less than a week & I know he had to make it, because he didn't have any for the safety. I am still big on safeties. Got used to them in the late 1940's.

I did find that 115 gr is more accurate than even 124gr. Enjoy your 45.
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Great to hear you got a new Shield with the $75 off. I have been looking, but got the 9c instead, no discount . As long as I have been shooting, I should know more about working on guns, but I don't. I just shoot them . I do have fun tho.

I got a new holster on ebay for my 9c with a safety& it is great. Jroth holsters on ebay & $34.95. He made it to fit the safety which is hard to find. It is a nicer than any I paid a lot more for. Got it in less than a week & I know he had to make it, because he didn't have any for the safety. I am still big on safeties. Got used to them in the late 1940's.

I did find that 115 gr is more accurate than even 124gr. Enjoy your 45.
Hi Gene... how are you my friend... hey having fun is what its all about...!!! I`ve worked on guns for MANY yrs.

Do you happen to have a link to where you got that holster...??? Sounds like something i`d be interested in.

Yeah that shield 45... racks VERY nice, after i did some labor of love to it..lol..very happy how that worked out.
Heading out to my range right now to do some first firing tests with it. I wont expect much, that way i wont be dissapointed...lol

Do you find those 115gr to have a snappier recoil over the 124gr...?
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Just jrothholsters on ebay. I am just not computer savvy enough to get things & drag them. let me try.
I didn't notice any difference on the 115 gr.

My computer wizardry failed, but I think he is easy to find on ebay, with Shield kydex IWB holster . I will send some pctures of my holster & targets. Also I got a sheet of Talon, 5"x7", & put talon on my rear & front grip area's on the 9c & the racking grooves. Feels good & helps with grip a lot. I use the Talon kits generally, but wanted to try this.

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Just jrothholsters on ebay. I am just not computer savvy enough to get things & drag them. let me try.
I didn't notice any difference on the 115 gr.

My computer wizardry failed, but I think he is easy to find on ebay, with Shield kydex IWB holster . I will send some pctures of my holster & targets. Also I got a sheet of Talon, 5"x7", & put talon on my rear & front grip area's on the 9c & the racking grooves. Feels good & helps with grip a lot. I use the Talon kits generally, but wanted to try this.
I think i might be able to do a search and find the holster...thank you Gene!
Yeah i`m thinkin about talon grip tape again... this 45 shield hurts my hand, its texture is to aggressive. (nerve damaged hands from a neck spinal injury)
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Weather not looking promising...
its pouring rain here, so i might not get out there for the range test today
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Ok, so i just got back from our indoor range a mile down the road.... (i got rained out on my home gun range, damn it, and it was buggin me to try this shield)

The Good:
This shield 45 is just un EFFIN believable...!!!! AMAZING ACCURACY right from the VERY first shot, a bullseye at 10yds. (DAMNNNN...!)

So here`s how it went:
I managed to get 2inch groups (average) on 4 different targets. The indoor range time was crowded, so i didnt get to pop off the 200 rounds like i originally wanted too, but i managed to get 150 down range.(YAY..!) I shot 100 of the Federal AE 230gr, and 50 of the Winchester PDX1 230gr after the AE ammo. The PDX1 was OUTSTANDING accuracy...! Got 1-1/2 groups at 10yds with the PDX1. The AE was 2 inch maximum. Next trip i will test the Federal HST 230gr. I`m sure they`ll perform just as good. I wouldn`t have any problem at all CC`ing the PDX1 ammo, it performed excellent.

Recoil:
What recoil, holy christ, there isnt any... compared to my glock 30S. The 30S pounds you, the shield does not.
Its not much more recoil than my shield 9mm standard. It is VERY manageable... very quick back on point of aim with every shot.

Sights:
i didnt move them, left them set right where the factory put them. It shot fine with them being off (front was to the center right, rear was to the center left) I had doubts is was going to make it on paper the way the sights were installed, but its spot on. I do see in the very near future, new sights. I`m not a fan of 3 white dots. I`m thinkin orange front, green rear. Just haven`t decided what brand i want yet.

The Bad:
Noticed after the first 5 rounds, it blew the left rear paint dot out of the sight. Ok, remember what i said earlier, new sights are gonna have to happen now...lol. For now, i think i`ll just drill out the white paint dots, install some florescent orange sight paint for the front, green sight paint for the rear. That will work until i decide what sights i want to replace the factory sights with. I might even put a light on it... dunno, we`ll see.

Grip Texture: (good & bad here)
The grip really stays great in your hand, no shifting, no having to move the gun back into place after a few rounds fired. It stays put on EVERY shot. And now, why i listed it under the bad section... if you`ve ever broke your neck like i did 4yrs ago, spinal & nerve damage, and your hands are SUPER sensitive, you are NOT going to like this aggressive texture on the shield 45 at all. Due to the nerve damage i have, every shot feels like a million bee`s stinging your hand. I`m not a huge fan of grip tape, but this gun is going to get some talon rubber grips on it.

Trigger:
It worked, but there is TONS of room for big improvements. Once again, the re-set, thankfully there is APEX to fix the false re-sets. After 150 rounds, no different than what i reported earlier before the gun was even fired. Its not that great... to some people, they think its great, i do not. But i am very fussy when it comes to triggers.

Here is the best part about this whole shield 45 story.... not one single malfunction, NOT ONE... the Shield 45 performed every shot with perfection. No failure to feed, no dead striker hits, perfect ejection. (empty brass @ 4 o`clock to my right, maybe about 4ft away from me) The mags worked perfectly. The mags also loaded easily into the gun as well. When you`d hit the mag release, they flew out of the gun with authority... not even close to being sticky or hangin up when you hit the mag release. When loading a fresh full mag, slide open, slingshot, was on the money every time. I also tried inserting each of the mags while fully loaded, slide closed, was totally effortless... i did NOT have to slam them home.

S&W has a REAL decent gun here... now if they`d just do something about their lousy triggers, they`d be a SUPERBLY PERFECT gun.
This Shield 45 is definitely a keeper...!!!!! Uhhhhhhhhh, i think the glock 30S is now a safe queen, another glock replaced by an M&P, again.

Hope some of this helps others, it was a pleasure to take the time to share this experience with you all.
And if i missed anything, maybe i`ll remember it on the next shoot... keep in mind, i am old, and i do forget...lol.

Those of you that are sitting on the fence about buying the Shield 45, DONT, its a really great accurate soft shooter.
And those of you scared off by how hard the previous shields racked, this gun is a tiny bit bigger, clean, lube, it racks sweet.
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You likely aren't aware of this but Apex doesn't make a striker block plunger for the Shield 45: Here's a quote from the Apex site::

"Applicable To What Gun(s)
Works with all current production Smith and Wesson M&P series pistols in 9mm, .357SIG, .40S&W and .45ACP, as well as the M&P M2.0 and the M&P Shield in 9mm/40S&W.
NOT required or needed in the M&P Shield 45 model."

I haven't actually looked at a 45 Shield striker bock but I have read that the standard part from S&W does have a little tit in the middle of it with a step down. It will be interesting to see what you come up with when you receive your new parts.

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PaPow,

You likely aren't aware of this but Apex doesn't make a striker block plunger for the Shield 45: Here's a quote from the Apex site::

"Applicable To What Gun(s)
Works with all current production Smith and Wesson M&P series pistols in 9mm, .357SIG, .40S&W and .45ACP, as well as the M&P M2.0 and the M&P Shield in 9mm/40S&W.
NOT required or needed in the M&P Shield 45 model."

I haven't actually looked at a 45 Shield striker bock but I have read that the standard part from S&W does have a little tit in the middle of it with a step down. It will be interesting to see what you come up with when you receive your new parts.
Thank you Yankee,
yes, i`m very aware of what apex offers, as well as what fits what. But a huge thank you regardless buddie, as others may not know this information you posted.

But, for apex to say they aren`t needed in the shield 45, all i can say is, wow, i soooo totally disagree. Once you replace that OEM flat top blocker to a polished domed one, HUGE difference... no hitching, grating, no tit in the middle. After the dome style installed, pulling the trigger feels like its rolling on bearings... super smooth thru the whole pull. You only feel trigger spring and sear resistance, nothing more.

At this time, i am making my own blockers. I am a machinist, they`re very easy for me to make. And i make mine out of high grade medical stainless steel. Workin on some blockers right now... i already pulled mine from the slide.

Couple close friends of mine here just picked up the shield 45`s, i`m making them a couple blockers too. They apparently like the last ones i made for them for their 9mm shields...lol. They came back an told me it was a night/day difference after they installed them in their own guns, so now they want them for their shield 45`s.

The only parts i normally by from apex is their sears, triggers, gunsmith barrels for my own guns, and thats about it... stuff that i cant make, or dont want to make. The blockers are easy... spit them out on a cnc lathe in 2 minutes. I already have a program in my cnc lathe for a few different blockers. So far, i`ve had super good luck with my own blockers.
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The blocker in the shield 45 is the same one used in the 9 & 40 too, at least from what i`m measuring. If someone can prove otherwise, show me.
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I forgot to mention earlier... not hating on the glocks, but my 30S had 4 FTE`s in 10 rds today when i was comparing the shield to it.

The 30S is now a safe queen, until i find a buyer... it got its ass kicked by a gun half its price

GOOOOOOOOO SHIELD45 GOOOOOOOOOO
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being in the socialist republic of Mass, our Shields ship with a 10.5-12 pound trigger pull.
(thank you Maura Healey), so gunsmiths here almost automatically redo the triggers for us, as soon as we buy them (hell some shops offer the service on the spot and stock the Apex kits). I was lucky enough to gt my hands on a performance center (not mass compliant) shield .45 a couple of weeks ago. The owner put the Talon rubber grips on it and had his gunsmith fix the striker block and smooth out anything else that needed it.
WOW!!! what a great little .45, I'm almost tempted to get rid of my XDM 3.8C I have in .45 and grab one of these.
Surprisingly fun to shoot little bugger.
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Sounds like you got a "late Friday afternoon" gun. Mine was perfect right out of the box. I'm pretty anal about these things but I couldn't find anything that needed "fixin" on this gun, except for the overly-aggressive sharp finish on the grips. I took some 400 grit wet-or-dry and that problem was fixed in less than 5 minutes. I just took the "points" off the texture where it was irritating my hand and you can't tell visually if it was ever touched. Now it feels perfect and still retains a grip that stays in your hand where you put it. The trigger on my gun was excellent right out of the box, and better than any Shield trigger I have ever tried. Overall, this is probably one of the best values in a light, compact, concealable carry gun in .45 ACP, currently available at a bargain price.

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