M&P 9mm full size - any preban high cap mags ?

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Old July 23rd, 2008, 06:57 AM   #1
 
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I just got a M&P 9mm full size, and live in a state which still has the AWB in effect. We can only use "high capacity" mags which were made pre-ban (Sep 1994), and which

work compatibly in their original configuration (i.e., if you use a Glock mag, it has to still work in a Glock).



Does anyone know if there are any magazines which hold more than 10 rounds, were made pre-1994, and would work in the M&P? Or

is the M&P magazine design different from all pre-existing magazines?



I know, it would be easier to move to a free state...
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 10:17 AM   #2
 
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I don't know of any magazine that would work, and there can't be any actual M&P mags that pre-date the ban.



Write your governor a nasty letter.
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 10:53 AM   #3
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I don't know of any magazine that would work, and there can't be any actual M&P mags that pre-date the ban.



Write your governor a nasty letter.


For the sake of discussion and excluding M&P's, how could you 'date' a magazine to begin with? For example, does a hi-cap Glock or Sig magazine look any different from 1994 to present day? How could you enforce that anyway?



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Old July 23rd, 2008, 01:06 PM   #4
 
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For the sake of discussion and excluding M&P's, how could you 'date' a magazine to begin with? For example, does a hi-cap Glock or Sig magazine look any different from 1994 to present day? How could you enforce that anyway?



Crazy... deservant of a really nasty letter to governor!


No, but you can date a new model gun, carried maybe by your local PD, that did not exist before the ban, that uses proprietary magazines



can you say FELONY....
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 01:52 PM   #5
 
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No, but you can date a new model gun, carried maybe by your local PD, that did not exist before the ban, that uses proprietary magazines



can you say FELONY....


Yeah, the issue is not the gun but the magazines. The law as written allows us to, for example, use pre-ban AR15 magazines in newly manufactured rifles, or to use Glock magazines in a Kel-Tec carbine, etc.



If some older magazine would work in the M&P, it would be legal to use them. But it looks like they specifically designed

it to be different. That makes sense, from a business angle, because Smith and Wesson gets to be the

exclusive source for the magazines. I doubt that there was an overriding technical reason

for not using an existing magazine design, it was probably a business decision.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 04:44 AM   #6
 
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You would need to buy an older model gun. Something like a Beretta 92 or CZ 75, for example, that both came out in 1975.



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Old July 24th, 2008, 04:46 AM   #7
 
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Originally Posted by jhe888' post='154519' date='Jul 23 2008, 05:17 PM
I don't know of any magazine that would work, and there can't be any actual M&P mags that pre-date the ban.



Write your governor a nasty letter.


Are you sure that Governor Schwarzenegger can read English? He does not speak it very well.



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Old July 24th, 2008, 07:20 PM   #8
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You would need to buy an older model gun. Something like a Beretta 92 or CZ 75, for example, that both came out in 1975.



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Got the cz-75....now I need the beretta....and any other pre-ban gun I can get my paws on.
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Old July 25th, 2008, 05:21 AM   #9
 
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Got the cz-75....


Ah, the preferred weapon of my favorite Japanese Anime super heroine, Irene "Rally" Vincent:

















She really blasts a lot of bad guys with her CZ 75 in the GUNSMITH CATS anime series DVD's It is by far her Go-To gun when the chips are down.





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Since we're discussing it...anybody know what year the Beretta 96 was released? Mine is registered in NY, but I just recently realized that my 11 round mags exceed NY's 10 round capacity. I believe that they are "pre-ban" though. I bought the gun used in Alabama in 1997....which was during the federal ban....leads me to believe that it must be pre-ban then.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the federal hi-cap ban was put into effect, weren't all manufacturers required to date stamp their mags or stamp them "For government or law enforcement use only" during that period? I'd say if you have gun that predates the ban and your mags aren't stamped, then you are probably ok from a legal standpoint, but again, you need to ensure that you understand the laws of your particular state, county, and city. Your thoughts??
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Old July 25th, 2008, 02:12 PM   #11
 
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Since we're discussing it...anybody know what year the Beretta 96 was released? Mine is registered in NY, but I just recently realized that my 11 round mags exceed NY's 10 round capacity. I believe that they are "pre-ban" though. I bought the gun used in Alabama in 1997....which was during the federal ban....leads me to believe that it must be pre-ban then.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the federal hi-cap ban was put into effect, weren't all manufacturers required to date stamp their mags or stamp them "For government or law enforcement use only" during that period? I'd say if you have gun that predates the ban and your mags aren't stamped, then you are probably ok from a legal standpoint, but again, you need to ensure that you understand the laws of your particular state, county, and city. Your thoughts??


The Beretta 96 was introduced in 1990, four years before the Federal ban.



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