Non-Chlorinated Brake Cleaner???

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Old March 2nd, 2010, 11:03 AM   #1
 
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Years ago I started using a GunScrubber-type cleaner every once in a while to clean out tight spots on my pistols and get rid of old oil that might remian in various tight spots. I've never used it for regular cleaning, just applied it every so often to blow stuff out of extractor channels, firing pin channels and deep inside trigger mechanisms. Regular cleaning was, and will remain, accomplished with Hoppes #9 and a stiff nylon brush.



After paying for GunScrubber for a while, I realized that non-chlorinated brake cleaner was basically the same stuff. However, it was much less expensive. I've been happily using it for years on all of my pistols, which were always metal-framed . . . until now.



I now have my first plastic pistol, the M&P. As you know, not only is the frame plastic, but the inside of the firing pin channel is lined in plastic or nylon and there's other small plastic or nylon-type parts. I'm concerned how the plastic parts will hold up to non-chlorinated brake cleaner.



I have yet to use any non-chlorinated brake cleaner on this M&P. I don't know how it would react with the various plastic/nylon parts. I'd rather not discover the consequences of using it if someone else has already tried or experienced the consequences . . . if there are any consequences.



What do you guys think? Has anyone continued using non-chlorinated brake cleaner once they transitioned to a plastic pistol? Did it work fine for you or would you recommend against it?



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Old March 2nd, 2010, 11:35 AM   #2
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S&W is fairly up front about not using automotive products to clean their firearms.



Even the armorer manual states, "NOTE: Carburetor, engine and brake cleaner are not recommended for cleaning Smith & Wesson firearms."



There are enough products which have been tested and are marketed for cleaning firearms with plastic components to risk using something which hasn't been tested and marketed for that purpose. Even still, it would be wise to check the labels of the products made for cleaning firearms to make sure they're also safe for plastic.
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Never use any type of automotive cleaners on a pistol. End of story. Period. Finished. Done.





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Old March 3rd, 2010, 09:05 AM   #4
 
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Well, thanks guys. I'll stay away from using the brake cleaner on this M&P. With all the plastic, I don't want to take the chance of bad reactions. I'll just need to find something else to use, although I detest spending unnecessary dollars just for a name.



However, I will keep using the non-chlorinated brake cleaner on my metal guns . . . no spanking is needed, 1911ES. I've seen too many pistols gummed-up with left-over oil in tight areas that regular scrubbing can't get out. The brake cleaner is great at getting such stuff out and hasn't harmed anything. It works just fine on metal frames and components.
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Old March 4th, 2010, 05:57 AM   #5
 
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Originally Posted by Smith Pistol' post='245217' date='Mar 3 2010, 01:05 PM
Well, thanks guys. I'll stay away from using the brake cleaner on this M&P. With all the plastic, I don't want to take the chance of bad reactions. I'll just need to find something else to use, although I detest spending unnecessary dollars just for a name.



However, I will keep using the non-chlorinated brake cleaner on my metal guns . . . no spanking is needed, 1911ES. I've seen too many pistols gummed-up with left-over oil in tight areas that regular scrubbing can't get out. The brake cleaner is great at getting such stuff out and hasn't harmed anything. It works just fine on metal frames and components.
I've used brake cleaner for years to clean my Glocks and I'll use on my new M&P......it works great and won't harm a thing.
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Old March 4th, 2010, 06:31 AM   #6
 
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If your concerned, try a little on the inside of one of the extra back straps your not using and see what it does to it. The only thing I've ever used automotive cleaners for on firearms was on shotgun barrels to REMOVE plastic residue. This was not Brake Clean however, it was carburetor cleaner (Gumout I think). Brake Clean is essentially spray denatured alcohol. It is made to dry clean with no residue. The only unintended thing I've ever seen it remove was some bad paint on a sway bar when I was cleaning up a differential to change oil in it. I've never seen it harm plastic.
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Old March 4th, 2010, 09:31 AM   #7
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Brake Clean is essentially spray denatured alcohol.


Check the MSDS sheets for the product and you will find this to not be the case. "Brake clean" can be a number of chemicals. There is no standard. Even differing among the same brand.



Best thing to do is check the MSDS for plastic safe Gunscrubber and then find a "brake clean" that has the same chemical. Match it and you'll be fine.
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Your probably right about different brands containing different chemicals. I only use one brand/type because I have found it to be the cleanest. CRC red can. There may be a cleaner one out there, but I haven't found it. But I've only used it on the cars, never on a gun.
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Brake cleaner will eat plastic after a time. Unless the gun is extremely dirty and has never been cleaned, then maybe you could use it. I use brake cleaner to clean all sorts of metal stuff, but never plastic.
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I would never use an automotive product on my M & P. Would anyone use a gun cleaner on their cars?
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Old March 5th, 2010, 12:30 PM   #11
 
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Originally Posted by 1911ES' post='245074' date='Mar 2 2010, 11:21 PM
Never use any type of automotive cleaners on a pistol. End of story. Period. Finished. Done.







Bullhockey. I've been using and will continue to use cheap Wal Mart brake cleaner on ARs, AKs, Glocks, M&P's, S&W wheel guns, and students guns in class.



It is one fifth the price of gunscrubber and works just as well.
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Old March 5th, 2010, 01:34 PM   #12
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Since those products have the potential to damage the finish, and potentially even destroy the plastic frame, there's no way I would use those on my M&P. Having to pay for a refinish or possibly replacing the frame at my expense, doesn't make saying a buck or two for a cleaner much of a bargain.



The only thing I use a spray cleaner for on any of my guns is a shotgun cleaner that removes plastic residue from shot shell wads, I use that on my shotguns because the plastic fouling comes out of the bore a lot easier, and that's the only spray cleaner that I use, and that's only in the shotgun's bore, I see no need for any other aerosols for cleaning anything else.
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Originally Posted by Hi5_0' post='245672' date='Mar 5 2010, 04:06 PM
I would never use an automotive product on my M & P. Would anyone use a gun cleaner on their cars?




I did !! Gun Scrubber did a pretty good job getting the greasy fingerprints off my brake rotors.

I picked up the parts I needed on the way home, but only bought 1 can of brake cleaner.

And at 10:30 pm the parts stores are closed. Soooo ,I did what had to be done...



I've used brake cleaner,DNA, carb spray, mineral spirits and all kinds of crazy concoctions

on guns before.



BUT !!! With S&W saying it's a no-no , and considering the difference between blued steel / wood

and melonite & polymer.



I wont do it....
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Old March 5th, 2010, 03:40 PM   #14
 
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Originally Posted by G56' post='245690' date='Mar 5 2010, 05:34 PM
Since those products have the potential to damage the finish, and potentially even destroy the plastic frame, there's no way I would use those on my M&P. Having to pay for a refinish or possibly replacing the frame at my expense, doesn't make saying a buck or two for a cleaner much of a bargain.




Did anyone notice the OP asked about NON CHLORINATED brake cleaner??? The non chlorinated will not harm the plastic..........
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We all have our preferences and favorites .... and I never questions others opinions. That's what makes us all different. We're all here to dicuss the M&P pistol ..... so we do have one thing in common.



I beleive in using quality products for my firearms, weather it be ammo, holster, oil, lube, range bag, glasses, or magazines. No cheap crap.

You live but once ..... enjoy each day ......







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