Shooting lots of Russian ammo!

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Old August 8th, 2012, 08:21 AM   #21
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At $4 per 100 rounds, and at $150 for a replacement barrel, youre much better off shooting the cheap ammo.



You could buy a new barrel every 38 trips to the range if you shoot 100 per session!



I shoot the cheapest ammo I can!



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This may work out economically, but if it means potentially increasing the inability of a personal defense weapon functioning when you need it most, it's not worth it. I suppose if you're only using it as a range gun it may be a fine way to look at it, though.
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... potentially increasing the inability of a personal defense weapon functioning when you need it most...
Say what?

There have been no instances of breakage on the M&P or an "inability to function" due to steel cased ammo.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 10:35 AM   #23
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Most guns work fine with Ruskie ammo, some don't, I always tell people try it, it if works, great! If it doesn't work in your gun, don't buy it!

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Just my experience but after several hundred rounds in my m&p45fs and ar15, I've noticed the Remington fmj boxes to be dirtier than the Tula and wolf brands.
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Old August 8th, 2012, 04:47 PM   #25
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Say what?

There have been no instances of breakage on the M&P or an "inability to function" due to steel cased ammo.
I went through a box of 50 Tulammo rounds with my .40c and had 5 FTF's. That's ten percent of the time.

I'm not going to tell you I did some scientific experiment to prove what I said. I came across a thread on another forum where someone suggested that the rough tulammo steel casings don't do well in some magazines, especially at the top of the mag where the pressure is greatest. And sure enough, all of my FTF's were early on in the magazines.
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I went through a box of 50 Tulammo rounds with my .40c and had 5 FTF's. That's ten percent of the time.

I'm not going to tell you I did some scientific experiment to prove what I said. I came across a thread on another forum where someone suggested that the rough tulammo steel casings don't do well in some magazines, especially at the top of the mag where the pressure is greatest. And sure enough, all of my FTF's were early on in the magazines.
Just think of the Tulammo as an opportunity to run malfunction drills, it's not going to break anything.

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Just think of the Tulammo as an opportunity to run malfunction drills, it's not going to break anything.

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Which is why I said if people want to use it for the range, that's their business. I'd rather spend the extra couple bucks and and have all the ammo I have be consistent in case I ever needed to rely upon it for personal defense.
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Which is why I said if people want to use it for the range, that's their business. I'd rather spend the extra couple bucks and and have all the ammo I have be consistent in case I ever needed to rely upon it for personal defense.
I am curious... Do you run malfunction drills?

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Tulammo is less expensive than snap caps and it also has a lot more value should one ever need to use it to trade or barter.
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As I said at the start of this post, Tulammo has been 100% reliable...What record of poor quality control? What evidence of poor function/reliability? Again, rumors abound...
Check out this Tul round someone found. Thankfully, they noticed before they loaded it and tried to fire it:

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I am curious... Do you run malfunction drills?
Are you suggesting it's fine to use crappy ammo that's inconsistent in order to practice malfunction drills? I could throw a couple snapcaps into a mag if I want to do that.

I prefer my ammo to work as expected as much as possible.
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Are you suggesting it's fine to use crappy ammo that's inconsistent in order to practice malfunction drills? I could throw a couple snapcaps into a mag if I want to do that.

I prefer my ammo to work as expected as much as possible.
I was asking a simple question, no offense was intended. Please see below.

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However, this...

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Just think of the Tulammo as an opportunity to run malfunction drills, it's not going to break anything.
...has merit.

Snap caps are great. I've used them for many years. But I find that using live ammo, Tula in particular...gives me the chance to deal with not only a failure to fire, but also deal with stovepipes, failures to extract, double feeds, whatever might come up. I agree with you, Tula is crappy ammo. But used in this fashion, at least for me, it serves a valuable purpose.

From my perspective, running live ammo that may or may not fail forces me to shoot consistently each time. I have found over the years with snap caps, this is not the case... I 'know' I have snap caps in the mag, and for whatever reason I anticipate the malfunction, and I think it affects my accuracy. Plus, I don't have to stage malf drills with Tula, they occur naturally.

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Check out this Tul round someone found. Thankfully, they noticed before they loaded it and tried to fire it:
Of course that NEVER happens with U.S. product...

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This may work out economically, but if it means potentially increasing the inability of a personal defense weapon functioning when you need it most, it's not worth it. I suppose if you're only using it as a range gun it may be a fine way to look at it, though.

How many rounds of the steel-cased ammo have you actually fired??
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Accuracy great if I do my part.

Just sayin'...
What do you consider to be great accuracy?
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How many rounds of the steel-cased ammo have you actually fired??
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Old August 12th, 2012, 01:26 PM   #37
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How many rounds of the steel-cased ammo have you actually fired??
I bought one box of 40, and that's as far as I will bother. Saving $2 bucks isn't worth it since I carry for personal protection, and not to hammer rounds every Saturday afternoon. But it's your business what you do with your gun.

I shared my experience, and people who come across this thread can judge for themselves.
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Saving $2 bucks isn't worth it since I carry for personal protection
I'm not an English major, nor did I sleep in a Motel 8 last night, but that does not make any sense. What does saving $2 have to do with carrying for personal protection and why else would anyone carry for other than personal defense?

"Spending $2 bucks is worth it since I carry for saving the whales, and not to eat waffles every Saturday afternoon." Yep, makes just as must sense.
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My range doesn't care if I shoot it, but they did tell me it would wear out the extracter, is what I believe the guy said. Anyway, I didn't buy the Brown Bear, I spent a $.01 more a round and bought Aquilla for what it's worth.
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My range doesn't care if I shoot it, but they did tell me it would wear out the extracter, is what I believe the guy said. Anyway, I didn't buy the Brown Bear, I spent a $.01 more a round and bought Aquilla for what it's worth.
One thing I have not seen or heard of yet is a broken extractor on an M&P.
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