Glock to M&P?

Seawolf · July 19th, 2012, 02:48 PM

Looking for input from Glock people that might have been loyal to Glock at one time and are now full time M&P supporters.

I've been carrying Glocks for a long time and have also had a few M&Ps in my stable, but never really carried them full time. Recently I got a Shield and love it as a little pocket carry gun, but because of the Shield I have started to question carrying a Glock over a M&P and here is why.

My Wife just purchased her first handgun (Walther PPQ 9mm) and while it is a great gun there are certain things that keep it from being "for me". She likes it a lot and that's all that matters. Anyway, one thing I noticed when doing some training with her was pointability between my Glock23 and other handguns with a more natural grip angle.

Now I know a lot of trainers say the grip angle thing is hogwash and maybe it is and I just need more training, but in a CCW role those first couple of shots are critical. While showing her to close her eyes and bring the gun up then open her eyes to see where the gun points I tried the same and every single time I opened my eyes my front sight n the Glock was higher than my rear and I could see the top of my slide. I had to force the nose down after I opened my eyes.

I've put a lot of rounds though my different Glocks, but I'll be honest this was the first time I tried this against another handgun and my Glock and it really surprised me. Ironically with the PPQ when I punched the gun out and opened my eyes the sights were dead on every time. Yes there was a little lateral adjustment to get dead on, but the front and the back were level.

This brings me to my question. The only other handgun I would consider on par with the Glock as far as reliability, function, and now parts are starting to become more available is the M&P. Was it the natural pointability that caused you to leave Glock for the M&P? or Was it something else?

I am at a point where I am seriously considering switching from my G23 to a M&P in 9mm or 40S&W. The only problem is I have so much invested in my Glocks like barrels, mags, holsters, etc where it's not just the gun itself that I will have to switch but everything else in support of it.

Sorry it's long winded, but this is a major change IMO and I was just curious what other former GLock users thought.

Thanks

ericridebike · July 19th, 2012, 03:26 PM

I had always been a Glock shooter for the most part until recently. For some reason, I had never really been interested in S&W semi-auto pistols. Here recently, I had been reading and hearing tons of great reviews on the M&P series, so I traded my G19 for a M&P9 FS. The first time I shot the M&P, it just felt right to me. I shot it as well or better then my Glocks the very first time out. I love Glocks, but the M&P just seemed to be made for me. I think it points a little more naturally for me. One of those cases where you don't know till you try it. The only real negative thing I guess is the trigger. I think that issue is more to the fact we have gotten used to Glock triggers and hold others to that standard. I friend of mine that just picked up a M&P9 Pro for the first time after being a long time Glock guy. He shot it for the very first time in an IDPA match. Before the match he was saying that the trigger felt horrible to him. After the match he said that he really never noticed the trigger being bad during the match(he placed 1st in his division). Thats kind of how I feel too. If I'm home dry firing, sure I can feel that it isn't perfect, but at the range or a match it isn't really noticeable to me. If it is to you, Apex makes parts to remedy the trigger issue.

Irierider · July 19th, 2012, 03:39 PM

Not a glock guy (i prefered the XD line for many reasons about 5 yrs back when i got one... Glocks feel "funny" to and after reliability feel is the top for my selection process. Glocks have a dated feel, but not dated enoight to be a classic like a revolver or a 1911, which feel nice to me (my edc is a 4" kimber tle) i feel gen1-3 (yet to try a 4, but hear its better) are like cars for the 80s.. Not quite the prime of the current crop or classic like the pre70s. That said i bout my wife a fs mp9... She loved it an besides the trigger (2 set screw and a good polish will fix that soon) its a top noych gun. Bout a second with 3 mags and night sights a few weeks later and then really fell in love.. Sold my faithful xd45 for a fde mp45 and am thrilled! I dont know if i would EDC it but i didnt do my xd either. But m&p>glock just with theyd make 30+rd mags for cheap! Also check out the steyr pistol line up (m9a1 is my favorite poly i own) and the caracals... These are both designed by one of the people who orig made the glock what it was, they are where glocks should be by now IMO, even the xd was revamped into the xdm

SmokeEater2 · July 19th, 2012, 07:04 PM

Yup! That's what brought me to the forum. I've used a Glock 23 as my carry pistol for several years.

I tried a M&P mid size .45 at the LGS yesterday and fell in love with it. I ordered one on the spot and I intend to replace the Glock with it.

350ci · July 19th, 2012, 07:44 PM

I was a full time glock man from my 21st bday, just this year i picked up and m&p9 and havent looked back. I have a g27 but i was so impressed with my m&p9 i let the misses have my g27 for her edc.

Seems that i naturally shoot better with the m&p and i havent picked a firearm that was equal to my springfield 1911 loaded except for the m&p...

This firearm is a master piece ans will replace glock....

JeffWard · July 20th, 2012, 03:29 AM

The M&P points better, feels better, shoots better, and though I've never had to test their customer service... apparently blows Glock out of the water.

I've owned Glocks (3), then switched to XDs (5), and now I'm all M&P (3).

JW

M4Gunner · July 20th, 2012, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seawolf

Looking for input from Glock people that might have been loyal to Glock at one time and are now full time M&P supporters.

I fit this crowd, and have quite a bit of experience, so Ill give you MHO.

Anyway, one thing I noticed when doing some training with her was pointability between my Glock23 and other handguns with a more natural grip angle. Now I know a lot of trainers say the grip angle thing is hogwash and maybe it is and I just need more training, but in a CCW role those first couple of shots are critical.

I would be weary of any trainer that says pointability is hogwash. That is NOT to say that you cannot train yourself to point where it feels like it "belongs", over time, BUT..if you can have a gun that FITS you and the angles of your stance/grip, a gun that is within 3 inches of your intended target BEFORE you aim..why on earth wouldnt you? (assuming we're not talking about hi-points or something equally as.. fabulous?!)

While showing her to close her eyes and bring the gun up then open her eyes to see where the gun points I tried the same and every single time I opened my eyes my front sight n the Glock was higher than my rear and I could see the top of my slide. I had to force the nose down after I opened my eyes.

For me personally, ive owned 6 or 7 different glocks, and EVERY one of them shot/held low for me. Again.. not saying that you cant correct it, and I did.. but why should you have to?

I've put a lot of rounds though my different Glocks, but I'll be honest this was the first time I tried this against another handgun and my Glock and it really surprised me. Ironically with the PPQ when I punched the gun out and opened my eyes the sights were dead on every time. Yes there was a little lateral adjustment to get dead on, but the front and the back were level.

This brings me to my question. The only other handgun I would consider on par with the Glock as far as reliability, function, and now parts are starting to become more available is the M&P.

not true. I think youre forgetting about H&K, Sig & the XD. Not that im trying to sway you in any direction.. but I would , and HAVE trusted my life to any of those. To me, they each have their strong points. (if you would like, I could elaborate)

Was it the natural pointability that caused you to leave Glock for the M&P? or Was it something else?

Sort of.. I went from Glock, to Sig, to XD and now Im on the M&P. ALL of my changes were due to ONE thing.. wait for it.... POINTABILITY!

(Im a firm believer of 'carry what you train with, and train with what you carry'.. one brand at a time for me.)
obviously, all of the above are just as reliable as the next, so that wasnt a factor. could it be said that one is even MORE reliable than the next?.. sure. But, it could be said that fords break down less than chevys.. not always true.

I am at a point where I am seriously considering switching from my G23 to a M&P in 9mm or 40S&W. The only problem is I have so much invested in my Glocks like barrels, mags, holsters, etc where it's not just the gun itself that I will have to switch but everything else in support of it.

(personally, i would, and did, go with the .40. reason being, you can drop in a 9 barrel for training/IDPA matches, if you wish.)
think about it like this.. worst case scenario: you have to use your weapon in defense. Do you want what you KNOW you dont have to think about in a high stress situation? or do not want to be out some money that you dropped on accessories, and have something that does not feel natural.. and maybe NOT make it home to enjoy said accessories?

Sorry it's long winded, but this is a major change IMO and I was just curious what other former GLock users thought.

Dont apologize.. this is serious business!

Hope this helps Brother!

OperatorX · July 20th, 2012, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seawolf

Now I know a lot of trainers say the grip angle thing is hogwash and maybe it is and I just need more training, but in a CCW role those first couple of shots are critical.

I've heard this too and it drive me nuts. Not all guns fit all people. For trainers to say the grip angle issue is not an issue for an individual is pretty niave and probobly should nt be training. Training develops consistency and muscle memory. I'm an avid 1911 shooter. When I picked up my G23 the front sight was too high to make consistent hits at speed. This is because of my ongoing training with the 1911. I got the G23 to be compatible with fellow trainers and the various departments my training organization was working working with. However, it jepardized my ability to shoot affectively on either platform. I had to relearn each everytime I switched. Therefore, I did what any self respecting 1911 lover would do... I had the grip modified to have it reduced. That solved the problem, but it was an expensive solution just to be compaitble with my training organization. I don't have to do that with the M&P. It fits like a glove.

M4Gunner · July 20th, 2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OperatorX

I don't have to do that with the M&P. It fits like a glove.

I agree. Its the only gun on the market that fit me better than the XD. thats the ONLY reason I switched.

cdunn · July 22nd, 2012, 02:49 AM

the M&P feels much better in my hand and I shoot it better then my 22,I also have alot invested in my 22 couple holsters, tons of mags(I just bough some vickers base plates to try out),misc. parts and a couple thousand .40 rds.I know I'll never get my money back for it so its staying with me.you can find m&p's for cheap just keep the glock.

KalashnaCough · July 22nd, 2012, 10:41 AM

ive been shooting and carrying a 17 and 19 for the past 5 years. i love my glocks for their flawless reliability, awesome accuracy, and simplicity.

i recently bought a full size .40 M&P and i love it so far. The grip angle, trigger, and overall ergonomics of the Smith just fits me better than the G17 or G19. i love the way it shoots as well. very accurate, points natural. It just has not been reliable for me just yet, i have a mag catch issue that keeps allowing the mag to drop. it did this about 4 out of 10 magazine loads under recoil. once i contact S&W im sure they will sort it out for me. The Glock forum guys always said S&W had awesome customer service.

M4Gunner · July 22nd, 2012, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KalashnaCough

ive been shooting and carrying a 17 and 19 for the past 5 years. i love my glocks for their flawless reliability, awesome accuracy, and simplicity.

i recently bought a full size .40 M&P and i love it so far. The grip angle, trigger, and overall ergonomics of the Smith just fits me better than the G17 or G19. i love the way it shoots as well. very accurate, points natural. It just has not been reliable for me just yet, i have a mag catch issue that keeps allowing the mag to drop. it did this about 4 out of 10 magazine loads under recoil. once i contact S&W im sure they will sort it out for me. The Glock forum guys always said S&W had awesome customer service.

by chance, did your mag catch get chipped or broken? maybe pop it out and take a pic. I think theyre about $2.50 so if you dont want to send the gun in for service, thats an option.

KalashnaCough · July 22nd, 2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by M4Gunner

by chance, did your mag catch get chipped or broken? maybe pop it out and take a pic. I think theyre about $2.50 so if you dont want to send the gun in for service, thats an option.

i just took it out, although bare metal is visible, it does not seem to be chipped or broken. the magwell seems sloppy though. lots of flashing or what look to be casting marks in the polymer, not to mention it looks like the tip and the projectile and the mag follower seem to nearly hit the catch as rounds feed. i hope i get it figured out.

mike56 · July 22nd, 2012, 01:57 PM

Went to a MP mid size 45. Liked the feel, it was very accurate. Installed a apex duty trigger and ameriglo Hack sights. Became an everyday carry. Then the magazine springs went. They sent me black ones, said don't leave them loaded for extended periods.???
Black ones bent as well. Then I started seeing black plastic pieces in the frame. I do shoot my guns hard, but always clean them. Thinking longevity is not a MP trait.
Sold it and have a gen 4 23 on layaway.
Just me. Wanted to like it but it needs to work.

Seawolf · July 22nd, 2012, 02:52 PM

Thanks for all the input guys. I'll probably keep my Glocks, but I am considering another M&P9 in the future. I am going to wait until S&W updates the M&P with the Shield trigger though.

azngotskills · July 25th, 2012, 07:24 PM

I switch from a G19 to a M&P9, it all came down to grip angle and sight picture for me. I could shoot better more quickly with the M&P than I could with the Glock

Glockconvert45 · July 26th, 2012, 05:11 AM

Im new here on this forum and you guys did exactly what I did this weekend. Looked at m&p 45s for a couple weeks and then saw one at the gun show and traded up my g19 for one and have never been happier. The M&P fits my hand so much better and has allowed me to shoot the tightest groups I ever had with a sidearm. It's a bit more pricey to shoot than the old 9mm but the bark of that 45 warms me heart.

jasonuscg · July 26th, 2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Glockconvert45

the bark of that 45 warms me heart.

The .45 is fun but, with an M&P40 one could of had more even more bark and bite a 357 SIG barrel. Toss in a 9mm conversion barrel, a 9mm magazine or few and then shoot all the cheap 9mm one could ever want.

stepheninaz · July 31st, 2012, 01:07 PM

I'm not a brand loyalist, per se, but when I find something that works, I stick with it. Shot/owned Glocks for nearly 25yrs, but also tried a boatload of others; Steyr, S&W, Beretta, Ruger, Star, HK, SIG, Browning the list goes on and on. Kept coming back to Glock because they simply WORKED. Parts everywhere, fit my grip, shot well for me, extremely reliable. Butt ugly--yeah, but pretty is as pretty does. I have a now 20yr old Glock 17 with well over 150k rds thru it---it has never failed to go BANG. Ever. With the exception of Hienie sights and routine recoil spring replacement it is 100%, as I bought it in 1992. Nothing has been replaced. The magazines have never been disassembled! (NFML).

The M&P. The M&P is the first gun I've run across that does everything I want it to do, and nothing I don't want it to do. It's a damn fine looking pistol as well, and feels excellent in the hand. The only downside---parts availability (as compared to Glock), but I'm not going to place that much importance on this issue this time around. I think the polymer breed has proven itself with the heavy-hitters in this industry.

M4Gunner · July 31st, 2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stepheninaz

Shot/owned Glocks for nearly 25yrs, .

Its crazy to think that its poly guns have already been around that long..

July 19th, 2012, 02:48 PM	#1
Seawolf Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Florida-USA Posts: 739	Glock to M&P? Looking for input from Glock people that might have been loyal to Glock at one time and are now full time M&P supporters. I've been carrying Glocks for a long time and have also had a few M&Ps in my stable, but never really carried them full time. Recently I got a Shield and love it as a little pocket carry gun, but because of the Shield I have started to question carrying a Glock over a M&P and here is why. My Wife just purchased her first handgun (Walther PPQ 9mm) and while it is a great gun there are certain things that keep it from being "for me". She likes it a lot and that's all that matters. Anyway, one thing I noticed when doing some training with her was pointability between my Glock23 and other handguns with a more natural grip angle. Now I know a lot of trainers say the grip angle thing is hogwash and maybe it is and I just need more training, but in a CCW role those first couple of shots are critical. While showing her to close her eyes and bring the gun up then open her eyes to see where the gun points I tried the same and every single time I opened my eyes my front sight n the Glock was higher than my rear and I could see the top of my slide. I had to force the nose down after I opened my eyes. I've put a lot of rounds though my different Glocks, but I'll be honest this was the first time I tried this against another handgun and my Glock and it really surprised me. Ironically with the PPQ when I punched the gun out and opened my eyes the sights were dead on every time. Yes there was a little lateral adjustment to get dead on, but the front and the back were level. This brings me to my question. The only other handgun I would consider on par with the Glock as far as reliability, function, and now parts are starting to become more available is the M&P. Was it the natural pointability that caused you to leave Glock for the M&P? or Was it something else? I am at a point where I am seriously considering switching from my G23 to a M&P in 9mm or 40S&W. The only problem is I have so much invested in my Glocks like barrels, mags, holsters, etc where it's not just the gun itself that I will have to switch but everything else in support of it. Sorry it's long winded, but this is a major change IMO and I was just curious what other former GLock users thought. Thanks Last edited by Seawolf; July 19th, 2012 at 02:51 PM.

July 31st, 2012, 01:07 PM	#19
stepheninaz Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Arizona Posts: 52	I'm not a brand loyalist, per se, but when I find something that works, I stick with it. Shot/owned Glocks for nearly 25yrs, but also tried a boatload of others; Steyr, S&W, Beretta, Ruger, Star, HK, SIG, Browning the list goes on and on. Kept coming back to Glock because they simply WORKED. Parts everywhere, fit my grip, shot well for me, extremely reliable. Butt ugly--yeah, but pretty is as pretty does. I have a now 20yr old Glock 17 with well over 150k rds thru it---it has never failed to go BANG. Ever. With the exception of Hienie sights and routine recoil spring replacement it is 100%, as I bought it in 1992. Nothing has been replaced. The magazines have never been disassembled! (NFML). The M&P. The M&P is the first gun I've run across that does everything I want it to do, and nothing I don't want it to do. It's a damn fine looking pistol as well, and feels excellent in the hand. The only downside---parts availability (as compared to Glock), but I'm not going to place that much importance on this issue this time around. I think the polymer breed has proven itself with the heavy-hitters in this industry. Last edited by stepheninaz; August 1st, 2012 at 04:20 AM.

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July 19th, 2012, 03:26 PM	#2
ericridebike Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: NC Posts: 39	I had always been a Glock shooter for the most part until recently. For some reason, I had never really been interested in S&W semi-auto pistols. Here recently, I had been reading and hearing tons of great reviews on the M&P series, so I traded my G19 for a M&P9 FS. The first time I shot the M&P, it just felt right to me. I shot it as well or better then my Glocks the very first time out. I love Glocks, but the M&P just seemed to be made for me. I think it points a little more naturally for me. One of those cases where you don't know till you try it. The only real negative thing I guess is the trigger. I think that issue is more to the fact we have gotten used to Glock triggers and hold others to that standard. I friend of mine that just picked up a M&P9 Pro for the first time after being a long time Glock guy. He shot it for the very first time in an IDPA match. Before the match he was saying that the trigger felt horrible to him. After the match he said that he really never noticed the trigger being bad during the match(he placed 1st in his division). Thats kind of how I feel too. If I'm home dry firing, sure I can feel that it isn't perfect, but at the range or a match it isn't really noticeable to me. If it is to you, Apex makes parts to remedy the trigger issue.

July 19th, 2012, 03:39 PM	#3
Irierider Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: PDX Oregon Posts: 71	Not a glock guy (i prefered the XD line for many reasons about 5 yrs back when i got one... Glocks feel "funny" to and after reliability feel is the top for my selection process. Glocks have a dated feel, but not dated enoight to be a classic like a revolver or a 1911, which feel nice to me (my edc is a 4" kimber tle) i feel gen1-3 (yet to try a 4, but hear its better) are like cars for the 80s.. Not quite the prime of the current crop or classic like the pre70s. That said i bout my wife a fs mp9... She loved it an besides the trigger (2 set screw and a good polish will fix that soon) its a top noych gun. Bout a second with 3 mags and night sights a few weeks later and then really fell in love.. Sold my faithful xd45 for a fde mp45 and am thrilled! I dont know if i would EDC it but i didnt do my xd either. But m&p>glock just with theyd make 30+rd mags for cheap! Also check out the steyr pistol line up (m9a1 is my favorite poly i own) and the caracals... These are both designed by one of the people who orig made the glock what it was, they are where glocks should be by now IMO, even the xd was revamped into the xdm

July 19th, 2012, 07:04 PM	#4
SmokeEater2 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2	Yup! That's what brought me to the forum. I've used a Glock 23 as my carry pistol for several years. I tried a M&P mid size .45 at the LGS yesterday and fell in love with it. I ordered one on the spot and I intend to replace the Glock with it.

July 19th, 2012, 07:44 PM	#5
350ci Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: pa Posts: 72	I was a full time glock man from my 21st bday, just this year i picked up and m&p9 and havent looked back. I have a g27 but i was so impressed with my m&p9 i let the misses have my g27 for her edc. Seems that i naturally shoot better with the m&p and i havent picked a firearm that was equal to my springfield 1911 loaded except for the m&p... This firearm is a master piece ans will replace glock....

July 20th, 2012, 03:29 AM	#6
JeffWard Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: St Petersburg, FL Posts: 2,667	The M&P points better, feels better, shoots better, and though I've never had to test their customer service... apparently blows Glock out of the water. I've owned Glocks (3), then switched to XDs (5), and now I'm all M&P (3). JW

July 22nd, 2012, 02:49 AM	#10
cdunn Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Falls Church, VA Posts: 56	the M&P feels much better in my hand and I shoot it better then my 22,I also have alot invested in my 22 couple holsters, tons of mags(I just bough some vickers base plates to try out),misc. parts and a couple thousand .40 rds.I know I'll never get my money back for it so its staying with me.you can find m&p's for cheap just keep the glock.

July 22nd, 2012, 10:41 AM	#11
KalashnaCough Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: WA Posts: 13	ive been shooting and carrying a 17 and 19 for the past 5 years. i love my glocks for their flawless reliability, awesome accuracy, and simplicity. i recently bought a full size .40 M&P and i love it so far. The grip angle, trigger, and overall ergonomics of the Smith just fits me better than the G17 or G19. i love the way it shoots as well. very accurate, points natural. It just has not been reliable for me just yet, i have a mag catch issue that keeps allowing the mag to drop. it did this about 4 out of 10 magazine loads under recoil. once i contact S&W im sure they will sort it out for me. The Glock forum guys always said S&W had awesome customer service.

July 22nd, 2012, 01:57 PM	#14
mike56 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7	Went to a MP mid size 45. Liked the feel, it was very accurate. Installed a apex duty trigger and ameriglo Hack sights. Became an everyday carry. Then the magazine springs went. They sent me black ones, said don't leave them loaded for extended periods.??? Black ones bent as well. Then I started seeing black plastic pieces in the frame. I do shoot my guns hard, but always clean them. Thinking longevity is not a MP trait. Sold it and have a gen 4 23 on layaway. Just me. Wanted to like it but it needs to work.

July 22nd, 2012, 02:52 PM	#15
Seawolf Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Florida-USA Posts: 739	Thanks for all the input guys. I'll probably keep my Glocks, but I am considering another M&P9 in the future. I am going to wait until S&W updates the M&P with the Shield trigger though.

July 25th, 2012, 07:24 PM	#16
azngotskills Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 27	I switch from a G19 to a M&P9, it all came down to grip angle and sight picture for me. I could shoot better more quickly with the M&P than I could with the Glock

July 26th, 2012, 05:11 AM	#17
Glockconvert45 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 1	Im new here on this forum and you guys did exactly what I did this weekend. Looked at m&p 45s for a couple weeks and then saw one at the gun show and traded up my g19 for one and have never been happier. The M&P fits my hand so much better and has allowed me to shoot the tightest groups I ever had with a sidearm. It's a bit more pricey to shoot than the old 9mm but the bark of that 45 warms me heart.