Glock & M&P comparisons

stepheninaz · August 3rd, 2012, 06:34 AM

Quite often you see reviews comparing the 2, with a format discussing ergos, sights, maintenance, etc. In reference to maintenance, the Glock usually gets the nod in that area due to a slightly simpler take-down. Well, I gotta tell you, I'll take the exra step with the M&P any day over the work-out required to disassemble a Glock magazine. Anyone who owns one knows what I'm talking about. I've owned dozens of Glocks, and there is no "easy" way to do it, sans squeezing the mag body in a vise.

The M&P mags are a dream to disassemble, quick, easy--as it should be. So, even as a long time Glock owner, I say the "maintenance" nod goes to S&W.

Just an unbiased observation.

KRWeiss · August 3rd, 2012, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stepheninaz

In reference to maintenance, the Glock usually gets the nod in that area due to a slightly simpler take-down.

The M&P gets the nod for folks who have not been desensitized to pulling the trigger as part of the breakdown. I've never heard of an ND while disassembling the M&P using the recommended procedure, can't say the same about Glock.

stepheninaz · August 3rd, 2012, 02:07 PM

I happen to believe that safety devices breed complacency for doing things correctly in the first place (clearing the weapon). But that's a debate for another time.

KRWeiss · August 3rd, 2012, 02:17 PM

Glock owners report frequent incidences of NDs, a weekly occurrence at some police departments, while I've never heard of a single one from an M&P.

Obviously, doing something inherently unsafe breeds complacency also.

stepheninaz · August 3rd, 2012, 04:26 PM

Sounds like training is in order.

But like I said, pushing the sear block down is cake compared to disassembling a Glock magazine. I'll take that trade-off.

jon_in_wv · August 3rd, 2012, 07:06 PM

Its also unfair they give the nod to the Glock for easier disassembly when the M&P can also be disassembled by simply pulling the trigger the same way. I find it easier to flip the takedown lever than the dual takedown levers of the Glock. I think there is a little bias in those comparisons.

vmainaz · August 11th, 2012, 06:11 PM

I'm with stepheninaz, maybe it's an Arizona thing, but it's a training/human problem if folks are pulling triggers on loaded chambers. Rack the side at least three times then visually check the chamber whenever you do maintenance on a gun. You should verify clear even if you are going to use the M&P takedown lever and have no plans to pull the trigger. There are many other issues like ergonomics and reduced felt recoil to consider when comparing the two lines.

JoshInGA · August 11th, 2012, 06:28 PM

Yeah, Im with the others about the whole pulling the trigger during dis-assembly: if you pull the trigger on a loaded chamber, you missed step one of take-down procedure-clear your firearm!

First thing I did when I got home with my M&P was field strip it and clean/oil it. Take down was easy and intuitive. Honestly the whole take down tool so you dont have to pull the trigger is useless to me. Maybe thats why I opted for the no thumb safety option as well?

SouthernBoy · August 18th, 2012, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stepheninaz

Quite often you see reviews comparing the 2, with a format discussing ergos, sights, maintenance, etc. In reference to maintenance, the Glock usually gets the nod in that area due to a slightly simpler take-down. Well, I gotta tell you, I'll take the exra step with the M&P any day over the work-out required to disassemble a Glock magazine. Anyone who owns one knows what I'm talking about. I've owned dozens of Glocks, and there is no "easy" way to do it, sans squeezing the mag body in a vise.

The M&P mags are a dream to disassemble, quick, easy--as it should be. So, even as a long time Glock owner, I say the "maintenance" nod goes to S&W.

Just an unbiased observation.

Disassembling a Glock magazine is actually quite simple. There is a little trick I use that makes the process take all of maybe under 15 seconds with minimum effort. And no squeezing, either.

SouthernBoy · August 18th, 2012, 09:01 PM

Both pistols have their pros and cons. I own both (three M&P's, six Glocks) and appreciate each for the specific reasons I bought them. I think it's rather silly to argue the merits of one design over the other as this more often than not raises issues of strong bias. Recognizing the pros and cons and one's personal preferences is a better way. It is what YOU want and like that matters anyway.

jasonuscg · August 18th, 2012, 10:17 PM

Last time I checked an M&P it was clearly engraved, "Made in the U.S.A." I will take that with some apple pie, hold the Tafelspitz and the Glock.

KRWeiss · August 19th, 2012, 06:09 AM

Just check one of mine (again), sure enough it's Made in the U.S.A. That alone makes it better than the Austrian product. If Glock was "Made in Germany" (like I am) it might be a harder choice, but since it's not...

JoshInGA · August 19th, 2012, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthernBoy

Both pistols have their pros and cons. I own both (three M&P's, six Glocks) and appreciate each for the specific reasons I bought them. I think it's rather silly to argue the merits of one design over the other as this more often than not raises issues of strong bias. Recognizing the pros and cons and one's personal preferences is a better way. It is what YOU want and like that matters anyway.

I think you made an important point. Personal preference is key. Glocks are ugly. M&Ps are sexy. The ergos of the M&P are far better for me. The trigger on the M&P is better to me. As far as reliability goes, after seeing the 60,000 rounds in 6 months torture test, Im a believer in the M&P. Even more so because it was still functional, even with a cracked slide.

jon_in_wv · August 19th, 2012, 12:12 PM

At least I'm not the only one that likes the M&P trigger better than the Glock. Epsecially mine with the Apex RAM and heavier trigger spring.

Strommsarnac · August 19th, 2012, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon_in_wv

At least I'm not the only one that likes the M&P trigger better than the Glock. Epsecially mine with the Apex RAM and heavier trigger spring.

But, but, then it's not an M&P trigger anymore...

luke2-2008 · August 19th, 2012, 05:26 PM

I like my bone stock trigger M&P's better than a good polished glock.

August 3rd, 2012, 06:34 AM	#1
stepheninaz Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Arizona Posts: 52	Glock & M&P comparisons Quite often you see reviews comparing the 2, with a format discussing ergos, sights, maintenance, etc. In reference to maintenance, the Glock usually gets the nod in that area due to a slightly simpler take-down. Well, I gotta tell you, I'll take the exra step with the M&P any day over the work-out required to disassemble a Glock magazine. Anyone who owns one knows what I'm talking about. I've owned dozens of Glocks, and there is no "easy" way to do it, sans squeezing the mag body in a vise. The M&P mags are a dream to disassemble, quick, easy--as it should be. So, even as a long time Glock owner, I say the "maintenance" nod goes to S&W. Just an unbiased observation.

August 3rd, 2012, 02:17 PM	#4
KRWeiss Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest Posts: 6,541	Glock owners report frequent incidences of NDs, a weekly occurrence at some police departments, while I've never heard of a single one from an M&P. Obviously, doing something inherently unsafe breeds complacency also. Last edited by KRWeiss; August 3rd, 2012 at 02:28 PM.

August 3rd, 2012, 04:26 PM	#5
stepheninaz Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Arizona Posts: 52	Sounds like training is in order. But like I said, pushing the sear block down is cake compared to disassembling a Glock magazine. I'll take that trade-off. Last edited by stepheninaz; August 3rd, 2012 at 04:28 PM.

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August 3rd, 2012, 02:07 PM	#3
stepheninaz Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Arizona Posts: 52	I happen to believe that safety devices breed complacency for doing things correctly in the first place (clearing the weapon). But that's a debate for another time.

August 3rd, 2012, 07:06 PM	#6
jon_in_wv Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: West Virginia Posts: 389	Its also unfair they give the nod to the Glock for easier disassembly when the M&P can also be disassembled by simply pulling the trigger the same way. I find it easier to flip the takedown lever than the dual takedown levers of the Glock. I think there is a little bias in those comparisons.

August 11th, 2012, 06:11 PM	#7
vmainaz Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Arizona Posts: 5	I'm with stepheninaz, maybe it's an Arizona thing, but it's a training/human problem if folks are pulling triggers on loaded chambers. Rack the side at least three times then visually check the chamber whenever you do maintenance on a gun. You should verify clear even if you are going to use the M&P takedown lever and have no plans to pull the trigger. There are many other issues like ergonomics and reduced felt recoil to consider when comparing the two lines.

August 11th, 2012, 06:28 PM	#8
JoshInGA Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Georgia Posts: 32	Yeah, Im with the others about the whole pulling the trigger during dis-assembly: if you pull the trigger on a loaded chamber, you missed step one of take-down procedure-clear your firearm! First thing I did when I got home with my M&P was field strip it and clean/oil it. Take down was easy and intuitive. Honestly the whole take down tool so you dont have to pull the trigger is useless to me. Maybe thats why I opted for the no thumb safety option as well?

August 18th, 2012, 09:01 PM	#10
SouthernBoy Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Western Prince William County, VA Posts: 80	Both pistols have their pros and cons. I own both (three M&P's, six Glocks) and appreciate each for the specific reasons I bought them. I think it's rather silly to argue the merits of one design over the other as this more often than not raises issues of strong bias. Recognizing the pros and cons and one's personal preferences is a better way. It is what YOU want and like that matters anyway.

August 18th, 2012, 10:17 PM	#11
jasonuscg Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Salish Sea Posts: 3,344	Last time I checked an M&P it was clearly engraved, "Made in the U.S.A." I will take that with some apple pie, hold the Tafelspitz and the Glock.

August 19th, 2012, 06:09 AM	#12
KRWeiss Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest Posts: 6,541	Just check one of mine (again), sure enough it's Made in the U.S.A. That alone makes it better than the Austrian product. If Glock was "Made in Germany" (like I am) it might be a harder choice, but since it's not...

August 19th, 2012, 12:12 PM	#14
jon_in_wv Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: West Virginia Posts: 389	At least I'm not the only one that likes the M&P trigger better than the Glock. Epsecially mine with the Apex RAM and heavier trigger spring.

August 19th, 2012, 05:26 PM	#16
luke2-2008 Site Staff Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Somerset, Ky Posts: 2,605	I like my bone stock trigger M&P's better than a good polished glock.