Apex DCAEK good enough without RAM?

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Old November 24th, 2012, 01:36 PM   #1
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Apex DCAEK good enough without RAM?

Hey folks,
Does the DCAEK improve the reset from the stock reset? Is the RAM really needed in addition to the DCAEK for improving reset?

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Old November 24th, 2012, 02:57 PM   #2
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Hey folks,
Does the DCAEK improve the reset from the stock reset?
The reset feels more pronounced to me.
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Is the RAM really needed in addition to the DCAEK for improving reset?
No.

I don't feel the reset when firing quickly anyway.
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Old November 24th, 2012, 03:06 PM   #3
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I have a newer M&P .40 (picked it up mid October) and mine has a newer design trigger as the Apex Ram won't even fit. It is fine as the reset is very, very good and I really can't imagine it being improved. You can both feel and hear it (while dry firing).
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Old November 24th, 2012, 09:38 PM   #4
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Thanks for the replies!
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Old November 25th, 2012, 04:01 PM   #5
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Watch this video.

Secondary Benefit of the Apex RAM - YouTube

This is reason enough to buy the RAM. If I was only going to get ONE of the two, I would get the RAM before the DCAEK.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 04:45 PM   #6
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Good luck wearing out the trigger return spring to the point that you'll find the the RAM a plus before feeling the benefit of the DCEAK sear, plunger and spring kit. I have 5 different M&P's and have yet to buy the RAM kit. I guess I'm living on the edge.....
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Old November 26th, 2012, 07:54 AM   #7
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I installed the RAM in two of my guns and frankly think they are a waste of money unless you really think there is a chance your trigger return spring is going to break. I can't hear the reset when shooting with ear muffs on so no bemefit there.

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Old January 15th, 2013, 05:02 PM   #8
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RAM is great in event of trigger return spring breakage, there is currently a thread on this board titled "M&P 40 Fail" dealing with just that.

However, Im not sure why everyone is bent on audible reset. I think its a great training tool for trigger control issues and to some degree follow through, but other than that I'm lost as to why you need to "hear" your reset. My hope is that folks get out and run their weapon enough to know where that reset is and reliably find it.

If its important for you to want to hear the reset, go for it. If you want the trigger return spring insurance, go for it. If you don't care about the reset, then change your springs (not just your trigger return spring) on the regular and don't sweat it.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 05:08 PM   #9
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The RAM is not available for the Shield, since it will not work with a thumb safety -- standard on the Shield. So, the USB and the Apex sear are the way to go for the Shield.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #10
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I installed the RAM on my 9c and 40c. It added a very reliable and pronounced reset that wasn't there before the install. For me, it is well worth the cost.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 04:40 AM   #11
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I ordered the duty kit and got a call from the armorer installing it recommending that I do the RAM too. He only charged me for the part(not any extra for the install), which was negligible. I am glad to have taken his recommendation. Gosh, the trigger is sooooo much better with it all in there.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 01:37 PM   #12
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I did the Duty/Carry kit and RAM in both of my M&Ps (5-inch .40 Pro and .40 Compact)... I'm very happy with the results.

Personally, I just wanted both triggers to be identical. But once I dry-fired the Pro, I wanted to go with the Apex kit instead of matching the Compact to the Pro. Since I had the guns apart, it was worth it to pay the extra $24 to toss it in.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:03 AM   #13
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I first put the DCAEK in my M&P 9. It cleaned up the break noticeably but the reset was still a bit vague. I installed the RAM a few weeks ago and the reset is drastically improved, affecting both audible and tactile response. I certainly recommend both from my experience.

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Old February 3rd, 2013, 10:21 AM   #14
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You may not hear the reset with ear protection on, but you should be able to feel it.

If later triggers on Compact and FS M&P's are based on the Shield, you may not need the RAM. My Shield's reset is very pronounced, both in feel and sound.
While my FS .40 was totally absent until the addition of the RAM.
The reset on the FS is barely audible, with the RAM, but I can feel it.
The tactile is probably more important than the audible.
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You may not hear the reset with ear protection on, but you should be able to feel it.
Maybe so but if you wait to feel it on every shot, you're shooting too slowly, IMO.
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