This is a discussion on What do you consider high capacity? within the MP Talk forums, part of the Smith & Wesson MP Forum category; Just putting this out there out of curiosity. I always wondered where the concept came from that anything over 10 rounds is high capacity. In ...
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|December 31st, 2012, 09:15 AM||#1|
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What do you consider high capacity?
Just putting this out there out of curiosity. I always wondered where the concept came from that anything over 10 rounds is high capacity. In my thoughts a high cap magazine for a handgun would be one that extends past the grip for the purpose of holding more rounds.
So this would mean standard capacity on my M&P9FS would be 17+1. Also means that standard capacity would change based on the gun design, round being fired, etc.
What are some of your guys' take on what constitutes "high capacity"?
|December 31st, 2012, 09:43 AM||#2|
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Location: New Hampshire
|December 31st, 2012, 09:49 AM||#3|
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|December 31st, 2012, 01:21 PM||#6|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: St Petersburg, FL
I consider "high-capacity" my 30-round P-Mag with a 18-round Nordic Components extension... Yep... 48
You know, come to think of it, I've had it 3 years??? And it is YET to be involved in any mass shootings! Unless you consider 2-3 rounds per paper in a 3-Gun Field Course!
|December 31st, 2012, 04:04 PM||#7|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Missouri limits handgun and rifles to 10 rounds for hunting purposes. Most shotgun seasons are limited to a plugged shotgun holding 3 rounds. There are seasons that allow unplugged shotguns. Magazines have to be restricted so they can not carry more than the allowed number with some kind of plug.
Most bolt action rifles carry 5 rounds. Most lever action rifles 8 rounds. Most revolvers 5 to 10 rounds. Pump Rifles and shotguns usually around 8 rounds max. Semi Autos, the last to be developed in the scale of evolution of firearms have a detachable magazine that engineers can manipulate to hold more. Same is true of some bolt actions. All others were limited by design as the extra rounds were in a tube that does not extend past the barrel or a cylinder that revolves.
But there was a time that rifles and shotguns only had one or two rounds. But they were not cartridges, they were black powder charges and lead shot or bullet. Engineers developed something better. And engineers are busy today developing next centuries firearms. What will they be? Lasers or electronic pulses? How will they define or limit that? I currently hunt wild game with modern and traditional firearms. 20 years from now, I may have another hunt with a futuristic firearm also.
The problem is not in the design or function of the firearm, it is the control of the illegal acts of persons that commit violence with the firearm. Without stricter control of felons and mentally ill persons, any form of controlling the weapons they use is futile. Before the invention of gunpowder, criminals killed their victims with clubs, swords, knives, bow and arrows, etc.
The nice thing about lesser gun regulation, violent crime goes down. The criminal thinks twice about what he is doing when the possibility of a well or greater armed individual they must face.
|December 31st, 2012, 04:12 PM||#8|
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: State College PA
How many .223 rnds fit in a ammo box on a belt ? I would consider that High Capacity and support limiting to less than or equal to that.
|December 31st, 2012, 07:05 PM||#9|
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Location: Colo Spgs CO
It's a fairly arbitrary choice, but I'd say 'high capacity' for an auto pistol is the capacity supported by a magazine that adds more than 10 or 15% capacity to what would be provided by a magazine equal in length to the grip on the gun. So...my definition is arbitrary, and differs for compact, single stack, double stack and standard or 'full size' handguns.
Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge, the results that politicians claim as their goal in their various gun control proposals will not be measured, nor will any meaningful before-and-after data be collected and analysed to determine the real effectiveness of any laws or restrictions. To me, as an analyst, this is absolute proof that we don't enact law for the purposes we publicly claim to...unless you accept the notion that we pass laws based only on the fact that we "need to try" and based on "hope".
When businesses take actions based on having to 'try something' and on 'hope', the usual result is squandered resources and poor outcomes--and generally careers are goofed-up. Not so with the politician--they answer pretty much to no one except the public opinion of the masses, which is apparently based on anything but facts and their rational evaluation. Many large corporations suffer from the 'activity' culture as well, however; this is the culture, generally testosterone-driven, that rewards 'taking action' over taking effective action. What saves the people involved in these cases, just as in the case of the Government, is that effectiveness isn't measured. Success is not a matter of fact nor a matter of opinion--it's policy. In exactly the same way, successful passage of additional arbitrary gun restrictions will be declared, in itself, a success. The presumption of effectiveness will be allowed to go unchallenged, and organizations such as the Brady Bunch in particular will select facts, selectively portray them, and use these carefully selected pieces of nonsense to also claim the 'success' of additional nonsense legislation.
It isn't uncommon for amateurs to treat symptoms or downstream effects in the misguided belief they're addressing a problem. They don't know, nor do they care to find out, what root causes are. They have inexperience and ignorance as their excuses for such naivete and beginner's mistakes. Our elected leadership has no such excuses...nor do they need them, because no one can hold them accountable to measurable results of their decisions. In fact, the country is where it is because our system now elects leaders who simply make us feel better and are able to slather lipstick on a pig. We deserve exactly what we get.
Last edited by Bongo Boy; December 31st, 2012 at 07:18 PM.
|December 31st, 2012, 07:21 PM||#10|
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Just east of the Canadian Rockies
How high is up? I'd prefer to think of 'normal' and 'reduced capacity' magazines... [here in The True North, Strong And Free, we are limited to 10 rounds in handguns, 5 rounds in semi-auto rifles [except Garands] and as many as we want in bolt or lever guns].
|December 31st, 2012, 07:42 PM||#11|
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|January 1st, 2013, 08:47 AM||#15|
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More importantly, when does any weapon, rifle, handgun, etc. become labeled as an "assault weapon"?
Is is strictly determined by magazine capacity?
Does that mean any semi-auto handgun with a mag capacity in excess of 10 rounds suddenly becomes an "assault weapon" by prevailing definitions?
I'ma so confuzzled! :P
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