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Old March 10th, 2016, 03:28 PM   #1
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I own a Shield 9, a Pro 9 and up until yesterday, owned a Compact 9. All Three did not do well benching them at 25 yards, no matter what type of ammo tried (there were many). The Compact, Pro and Shield all shot groups of 5 inches on up. I had to put a $200 Apex barrel in the Pro to reduce the group sizes (less than 2 inches now).
Yesterday, I traded the Compact in on a Walther PPS M2. Took it to the range and was amazed, right out of the box, it shot groups of 2-3 inches.
This is a $400 gun, the same as the Shield and the other two were substantially more. Why can't Smith and Wesson do this? They could learn something from Walther. No more Smiths for me, until their QC gets better.
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Old March 10th, 2016, 03:45 PM   #2
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I have a Shield 9, 9 Pro, and 40c and can get a 2in group out of the 9 Pro and 40c at 25yds and they are both bone stock. The shield gets me 3-4in but that is to be expected out of a small package. I guess I got lucky.


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Old March 10th, 2016, 03:55 PM   #3
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I have a Shield 9, 9 Pro, and 40c and can get a 2in group out of the 9 Pro and 40c at 25yds and they are both bone stock. The shield gets me 3-4in but that is to be expected out of a small package. I guess I got lucky.
What ammo and weight are you using? I might have missed the one you use. My best groups have been with American Eagle 147 grain FMJ. I've even tried other brands in 147 and the groups opened up.
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The 124gr is what I use at the range. My groups open up with 147gr For both the shield and 9 Pro.

I shoot American Eagle in 40 at 180gr and works very well.




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You have 40's. They are a lot more accurate than the 9's.
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Old March 10th, 2016, 05:01 PM   #6
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Only 40 I have is the 40c


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I have a .40 full size and C i can shoot 2 to 3 inch groups at 9 yards with the FS, and not too far off with the C. I have a few friends with 9s and i can shoot them the same. I really think it has more to do with trigger control than the gun not being accurate. This is just my opinion.
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Most groups for determining the inherent accuracy of a pistol are shot at 25 yards.

"2 ro 3 inch groups at 9 yards" are nothing to write home about.
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Old March 10th, 2016, 07:34 PM   #9
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One thing I might add, Walther is world famous for the accuracy of their barrels. Smith has the capability of producing target grade barrels, but they don't put target grade barrels in their standard production guns. S&W's target grade guns are very expensive.

Below is a 30 shot group shot from my 9mm M&P at 25 yards. It could be better, younger eyes and a real target pistol with a single action trigger, but not too bad for an old fart!
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Old March 10th, 2016, 07:58 PM   #10
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....but not too bad for an old fart!
No sir, not too bad at all. I'd say that's very nice work!
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My personal opinion which means nothing and I'm okay with that. 3 to 4 inch group is consider good with a handgun.
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You have 40's. They are a lot more accurate than the 9's.

Agreed.
My accuracy is better with a 40 for some reason.
Which is why I dont own any 9mm.



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Agreed.
My accuracy is better with a 40 for some reason.
Which is why I dont own any 9mm.
M&P 9mm's are known for inaccuracy, due to premature unlocking. I bought and installed an Apex barrel for my M&P 5" Pro for this reason.
I use it for IDPA and I get less points down, than I did before.

To be honest, for all the money I've put into it, I could have almost bought two Walther PPQ's. They have really good accuracy, right out of the box.

This is why I traded in my Compact 9mm and got a PPS. It didn't do well at longer distances and was bulky to carry on my 160lbs. The Walther PPS M2 is the size of a Shield, but has very good accuracy, for such a small gun.
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Again its a 9mm

My 40 hits where I aim it.
My G3 S&W former police service gun also hits where I aim it and its a 40.
Something about those pesky 9mm I think.

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I guess that there are enough gun buyers that are satisfied if the gun goes bang, and the bullet hits somewhere near where they want it to, that S&W does not need to produce more accurate weapons.

The smaller number of buyers that expect to hit what they aim at are in the minority and we cause all the complaints. We spend considerable time and money to improve our skills and resent being held back by what we thought were accurate weapons.

Smith and Wesson has owned a great reputation for quality arms but the 9mm M&Ps do not seem to live up to the reputation.

Warranty work, for my M&P 9, was swift but all they did was swap one barrel for another, twice. The lack of accuracy was not addressed.

Apparently my frame and slide were at the max end of tolerance and the barrels were at the other end. The Apex semi drop in barrel solved the problem.
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