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Old January 10th, 2017, 03:35 PM   #31
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It's a habit I have no matter what weapon I pull out of my safe , drop the mag if there's one in it, rack the slide at least 3 times and then look in the weapon make sure it's clear, after that use it as a hammer if you wish! If it doesn't have mag in it rack it at least 3 time And look in the weapon. Every time. Then you can do anything you wish with it.

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Old January 10th, 2017, 04:10 PM   #32
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I can't remember the last time I used the sear deactivation lever.
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Old January 10th, 2017, 04:35 PM   #33
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What an idiot and a jackass.

The highlight was him saying that people get shot because they don't know how to disassemble a gun correctly and then disassembling his Glock incorrectly. The Glock manual clearly states to safely pull the trigger, then retract the slide slightly, pull down the tabs, and remove the slide.

For his sake I hope he doesn't find out that irony is more powerful than Darwin.


ETA: What's the thing with the light pinned to his shirt?
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Old January 10th, 2017, 08:00 PM   #34
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ETA: What's the thing with the light pinned to his shirt?
I think he wants to make sure you can find him in the dark...


OK, I'll add one more thing, I ALMOST had a negligent discharge one time, friend of mine had a Walther PPK, he told me to take a look at the pistol, I picked it up, dropped the loaded magazine, retracted the slide, looked in the chamber, it was clear, closed the slide, I almost pulled the trigger, decided no, I'll just let the hammer down softly. Right after that my friend told me don't pull the trigger, its loaded and hot (one in the chamber), I got a funny feeling in my throat and looked again, this time the extractor pulled a hot round out of the chamber! The light where we were wasn't very good and I had totally missed one in the chamber that the extractor didn't pull.

Lesson learned, stick your finger in the chamber just to be sure, sometimes your eyes will fool you. I don't know if it was dumb luck or a premonition that I didn't pull the trigger, but I came very close to an ND and I'll never forget it.
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Old January 10th, 2017, 08:18 PM   #35
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I was taught to cycle the slide several times after removing the magazine. It gives several chances for the extractor to pull a round and if rounds start flying out then you forgot to remove the magazine.

Then check the magwell and chamber with your pinky.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 04:01 AM   #36
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Not picking on you, but if you ask Glock they will swear up and down that their method is safe, and if you do it the exact way you are supposed to, it is safe, but then those 'shortcuts' seem to creep in, next thing you know somebody gets hurt or worse.

The attached photo is from a guy who was going to clean his Glock..
Their method IS safe if you follow firearm safety rules.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 04:08 AM   #37
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1. Drop the magazine.

2. Rack the slide to the rear and lock it there.

3. Visually verify it is unloaded.

4. Ride the slide forward.

5. Point the gun in a safe direction. Important Safety Consideration: The palm of your hand is not a safe direction.

6. Pull the trigger.

7. Pull the slide off.

Another Important Safety Consideration: If you are interrupted at anytime during this process, return to step one and start over.

It's not rocket science.

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Old January 11th, 2017, 09:05 AM   #38
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Important Safety Consideration: The palm of your hand is not a safe direction.
It's amazing just how many of those ND's are to a hand or leg of the person holding the pistol.
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Old January 13th, 2017, 04:46 PM   #39
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Their method IS safe if you follow firearm safety rules.
Humans makes mistakes. A safe procedure is one in which steps can be done out of order or skipped and not result in injury or damage.

More mistakes are made when the user is distracted, sleep deprived, fatigued, or emotionally raw. M&P is supposed to stand for Military and Police and I expect that those descriptors would apply to a soldier in the middle of a war.

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It's amazing just how many of those ND's are to a hand or leg of the person holding the pistol.
The NDs to the hand are quite easy to understand when you watch the video you posted earlier. Watch the way he grabs the pistol as he disassembles it.

The NDs to the leg are easily understood as reholstering errors.
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Old January 22nd, 2017, 06:42 PM   #40
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If ya can't figure out whether the gun is loaded before you take it down, take some training or maybe gun's ain't for you..... I have several M&P's and I always pull the trigger, it's more risky sticking my pinky down in the dang ejection port than shooting my hand, oh yeah just to be safe I point the gun in a safe direction! The shield is easy to take down by pulling the trigger, it's the same as the lever...
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Old January 29th, 2017, 07:43 PM   #41
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1. In terms of pulling the trigger on any firearm always, always, always treat the muzzle of any gun as if it is loaded in terms of where it is pointed.

2. When making the firearm safe, check the chamber both visually and physically. Rack the slide open, and A)see and verify the empty chamber, then B) take your finger and physically touch the empty chamber.

If you do these two things you chances of shooting yourself or anyone else via ND are greatly reduced.

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