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This is a discussion on Proper vocabulary within the MP Talk forums, part of the Smith & Wesson MP Forum category; Originally Posted by PaPow Gun-Weapon-Firearm Girl-Woman-Female Boy-Man-Male Pick your poison, its all the same at any angle you look at it. But POLITICAL CORRECTNESS divides ...


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Old January 15th, 2017, 08:23 AM   #16
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Gun-Weapon-Firearm
Girl-Woman-Female
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Pick your poison, its all the same at any angle you look at it.
But POLITICAL CORRECTNESS divides them all.
A square is a square, a circle is a circle... it is what it is.

Can we move on now...????
I agree with what you say, and I'd bet most here would. And like someone else said,the gun haters, aren't going to change their minds no matter what.

I think the point is, We might be able help to curb the growth of the gun haters. If someone who hasn't formed a very strong opinion, keeps hearing the negative words, or the reinforcement of falsehoods, they are probably going to move closer to the wrong side.

As far as the "weapon" goes...If I started calling a hammer a weapon, because I could use it as such...someone might think I am a violent person...and I think even we on this forum might find it kind of odd...I think that's the OP's point.

We wouldn't say

Boy - rapist - male
girl - victim - female

And that "kind of" is what
Gun - weapon - firearm is to some folks, who wish to use it against us.

Just like, we wouldn't want to keep calling semi automatic rifles, fully automatic (like the press does) and make the job of banning them even easier. It might not be a bad idea to refrain from making the anti gun folks job easier.

The bad guy with a gun is going to shoot at me either way, but I don't need to throw some more ammo at him to make sure he doesn't run out.

I'm not really hung up on it either way, I'm just offering another way to look at it. Feel free to call it a weapon, or a lethal banana hammock, It won't offend me ...But I do get the OP's point, and it's not a bad one.

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Old January 15th, 2017, 08:52 AM   #17
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I agree with what you say, and I'd bet most here would. And like someone else said,the gun haters, aren't going to change their minds no matter what.

I think the point is, We might be able help to curb the growth of the gun haters. If someone who hasn't formed a very strong opinion, keeps hearing the negative words, or the reinforcement of falsehoods, they are probably going to move closer to the wrong side.

As far as the "weapon" goes...If I started calling a hammer a weapon, because I could use it as such...someone might think I am a violent person...and I think even we on this forum might find it kind of odd...I think that's the OP's point.

We wouldn't say

Boy - rapist - male
girl - victim - female

And that "kind of" is what
Gun - weapon - firearm is to some folks, who wish to use it against us.

Just like, we wouldn't want to keep calling semi automatic rifles, fully automatic (like the press does) and make the job of banning them even easier. It might not be a bad idea to refrain from making the anti gun folks job easier.

The bad guy with a gun is going to shoot at me either way, but I don't need to throw some more ammo at him to make sure he doesn't run out.

I'm not really hung up on it either way, I'm just offering another way to look at it. Feel free to call it a weapon, or a lethal banana hammock, It won't offend me ...But I do get the OP's point, and it's not a bad one.
I get it Steve, i get it, and i even get the OP`s point... but when do we stop taking this sh*t from people. Instead of accepting it, running away from it, turning a blind eye, that my friend, isnt going to make it go away. I am so tired of people running away from it, no balls to stand up and fight it. You my friend, are part of the problem by just accepting it. I`ve got nothing against you, but brother, its time to fight back...!!! Instead of just accepting liberlism, defeat it, and for good. That is the ONLY way to fix the problem. You`re right, they`re gonna keep coming at us, but dammmm bro, take a stand. We won ww1 & ww2, do you want to win ww3...??? We wont win if we dont do something to fix it and stop it for good, right now. There`s a good reason Trump won this election... i dont like the guy, but had to vote for him because there was no way in h-e-l-l i wanted a liberal president. We need a president with BALLS...end of story. Trump isnt any more qualified than OBOZO was, but at least we`re in a far better direction with Trump than where we were going had hildabeast had won. Same goes for all the poisoning liberals... they NEED to be stopped. Please dont turn a blind eye to this war, help us win the war. If your not with us, then your against us.
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The best way to help stop gun haters, take them to the range and show them ther is nothing to be afraid of.
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Even if they dont shoot, its better to have them face their fears, and explain to them there is no problem owning guns.
If gun haters want to REALLY fix the problem, then tell them to go fix the sick poeple instead of bothering GOOD legal gun owners.
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I get it Steve, i get it, and i even get the OP`s point... but when do we stop taking this sh*t from people. Instead of accepting it, running away from it, turning a blind eye, that my friend, isnt going to make it go away. I am so tired of people running away from it, no balls to stand up and fight it. You my friend, are part of the problem by just accepting it. I`ve got nothing against you, but brother, its time to fight back...!!! Instead of just accepting liberlism, defeat it, and for good. That is the ONLY way to fix the problem. You`re right, they`re gonna keep coming at us, but dammmm bro, take a stand. We won ww1 & ww2, do you want to win ww3...??? We wont win if we dont do something to fix it and stop it for good, right now. There`s a good reason Trump won this election... i dont like the guy, but had to vote for him because there was no way in h-e-l-l i wanted a liberal president. We need a president with BALLS...end of story. Trump isnt any more qualified than OBOZO was, but at least we`re in a far better direction with Trump than where we were going had hildabeast had won. Same goes for all the poisoning liberals... they NEED to be stopped. Please dont turn a blind eye to this war, help us win the war. If your not with us, then your against us.
LOL, you missed my point entirely. I never said anything about accepting it, nor running away. Actually My point is just the opposite... don't accept it, and fight back but do it intelligently. Giving them the ammunition to use against us is not fighting back, that's just being foolish IMOH Calling a gun that you will probably never use as a weapon, a weapon, and giving it a dangerous connotation...would actually be giving in...you are conceding the point when they say Guns only have one purpose...to kill...well yeah I call it a weapon but I hope I don;t ever use it as a weapon...it just doesn't sound like an argumanet I want to make. I rather say yes my self defense pistol, and let them start 1 or 2 steps further back.

If you really want to fight, then fight on our side, conceding and argument that they wish to make, when it is wrong...is not fighting....at least not for our side.

I'm not looking to argue over it, just wanted to make the point. Like I said call it whatever you want, but don't accuse me of running away, or accepting it, when my whole point is to not accept the characterization that the left wants to place on it.

You can call it a dangerous weapon that nobody can control and they go off by themselves everyday, and only a violent insane person would ever want to be near one of those things...give them all those points while your "fighting" too. But I'll still say it's a smarter thing to never concede especially when it's just not true.

Your point of education, and experience is 100% true, no argument...I think every child in school should have a mandatory firearms class, and teach them safety and respect for the firearm, and they would learn it's not something to be feared...I can't make that happen, if you can please get it done. The one thing I can do quite easily in my fight is be careful of the language I use in order to further my cause, and not hurt it.

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True, we'll never convince the real gun haters to come over to our side. But a bullet will remove them from the other side. But it hasn't come to that yet.

A range session could help someone on the fence. But so will using proper terminology help in that. It's sort of like when I teach folks to shoot I don't use a silhouette target. I use a paper plate. A sil' looks too much like a person and that can melt a fragile snowflake that hasn't matured into a real person yet. Using the term "weapon" is in the same vein. One has to put themselves in the other persons shoes instead of stubbornly demanding that the fragile folks who are undecided come to our side all at once. Do that and they go to the other side. I know I would. Baby steps with fragile folks. Heck, even if the folks on the fence come to our side, we who are on this forum are the exception and not the rule. Sure, we can use the word weapon and such in our conversations and we all know what's meant and we won't melt. But that might not work so well around others. It's really nothing more than salesmanship and that's nothing more than making what's being sold buyable for the prospect.
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I agree with both of you guys, (Brian & Steve) i really do. We just have a difference of a similar type of opinion on the subject on how to deal with it. But understand my point, i`m tired of walking on egg shells just to not offend snowflakes. My point is, we`re not going to eliminate the infection 100%, without penicillin. High dose`s are needed.
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Like i tell EVERY gun hater, after i`ve asked them not to mock it until they`ve tried it...
if you dont like guns, go somewhere else and not worry about it.

I dont go around telling liberals i hate them, they shouldnt be bothering the good gun crowd.
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You'll get no argument from me PaPow. I think we agree about the rabidly anti.

Most of my last post was regarding the folks on the fence who are undecided.
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You'll get no argument from me PaPow. I think we agree about the rabidly anti.

Most of my last post was regarding the folks on the fence who are undecided.
I agree with ya buddy. It just really burns my ass to where this country has been taken. You an i are close in age, and we will NEVER see the world as we saw it as to when we were kids. Our time will never come back to the way it was, with respect & kindness we all grew up with, it was called family values.

All i can say is, i`m glad i`m on the way out and not on the way in to this world. We lived at the best times we will have ever known in the human race, in OUR lifetime. Its all downhill from here on out... these little politically correct snowflakes will never know what freedom USE TO BE... its almost gone.
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The libtards, BLM, etc etc are never going to change their minds about gun owners no matter what we do, just read an article about this beautiful blonde liberal in England, fought for the muzzies rights tooth and nail, finally got her wish, when they found her, she was dead from being fang raped by the very people she wanted in to her country, the muzzies, when they found her, she was still being raped even though she had been dead for hours....You know the muzzies love young, white girls, and will tell you, they will rape them, and sell them for sex slaves. If anyone does not know, Muslims are the largest slave traders there are, from way back when....Blacks, whites, christians, Jews, all us infidels!!! Thank God Hitlery wasn't elected...
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The libtards, BLM, etc etc are never going to change their minds about gun owners no matter what we do, just read an article about this beautiful blonde liberal in England, fought for the muzzies rights tooth and nail, finally got her wish, when they found her, she was dead from being fang raped by the very people she wanted in to her country, the muzzies, when they found her, she was still being raped even though she had been dead for hours....You know the muzzies love young, white girls, and will tell you, they will rape them, and sell them for sex slaves. If anyone does not know, Muslims are the largest slave traders there are, from way back when....Blacks, whites, christians, Jews, all us infidels!!! Thank God Hitlery wasn't elected...
SPOT ON BROTHER, SPOT ON...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The best way to help stop gun haters, take them to the range and show them ther is nothing to be afraid of.
or use them for a target...................
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