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M2.0 trigger bar and sear changes

This is a discussion on M2.0 trigger bar and sear changes within the MP Talk forums, part of the Smith & Wesson MP Forum category; I just finished detail stripping the M2.0 and doing my standard tune up on it. I should of taken pictures while I had everything apart. ...


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Old January 13th, 2017, 08:46 AM   #1
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M2.0 trigger bar and sear changes

I just finished detail stripping the M2.0 and doing my standard tune up on it. I should of taken pictures while I had everything apart. Here's the best I can do assembled.
#1 is the nub that engages the striker block. However, now it also engages the sear. The sear is now 2 parts. The 2nd part is #2. It is held in place by the sear pin and the lobe that used to be engaged by the trigger bar loop. It's like a C clip with a hood. The sears *appear* to be the same 1.0/2.0, but the lobe on the 2.0 now only appears to serve as an anchor point for the new sear part which is the actual sear engagement point.
It will be interesting to see what APEX does with the 2.0. There's nothing to be done with the lobe now, it plays much less of a role in trigger feel. The back of the sear where the striker is held could be improved for trigger weight, but the break is pretty darn crisp. Even after cleaning mine up it still breaks at 5.4 lbs, a bit on the heavy side for my liking.
The striker block definitely needs cleaning up, felt and sounded like gravel. I reshaped and cleaned mine up and it as good as the APEX part now. However, it appears to be made of a much softer metal than before, maybe even aluminum. I intended to put a magnet on it while I had it out, but never came back to it. So an APEX USB would still be a worthy upgrade.

The 2nd picture below is with the trigger pulled so sear engagement can be seen.






This picture came from the beararms blog and shows the "C clip" in the sear block better.

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Old January 13th, 2017, 09:03 AM   #2
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Great investigation and thank you for the info. Good Stuff!
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YUP, good to know info, i think i`m going to pass on the M2.0 models.
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Nice review! Thanks! Werks, have you had a chance to check out the 2.0 yet?
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This is just my own personal opinion of the M2.0. And its just MY own opinion, so dont get your fanboy panties all knotted up over my opinion.
The two M2.0`s i had ordered came in yesterday... (wow i didn`t expect to see them that fast, quantity vs quality....hmmmm) so i checked them both out thoroughly, WELL, surely not my cup of tea. Both sold to other people that were standing and waiting in line for my decision. If you could have only seen them drooling, there are suckers born everyday...lol. Reason i passed them up... same old shitty S&W triggers. I didnt feel like APEXing these M&P`s like my other M&P`s, and i didnt like the fact that you can`t slam the mag and bang a round up into the chamber at the same time (thats a huge loss in my opinion). I did break down both pistols... both barrels still sloppy in lock-up. You can move the barrels forward and backwards in full lock-up. I`ve got old pistols with 10,000+ rounds that are tighter fitting in full lock-up inside the slide, no recoil assembly, just barrel and slide. As for the extra grip insert in the box... kind of pointless. All the new upgrades just made the pistol cost more. And they dont shoot any better than the first gen M&P`s. All S&W should have done, was LISTEN to the customers... FIX THE LOUSY TRIGGER`S AND BARREL FITMENTS. Sell some with flat triggers, not that roundass garbage they use in all M&P`s. Dont let my disappointments discourage any of you, buy them, most of you would be happy with the new M2.0, just not my cup of tea.
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Nice review! Thanks! Werks, have you had a chance to check out the 2.0 yet?
I have had one in hand and plan on purchasing one in the next few weeks just for the heck of it.

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So what are the thoughts about how Apex (or anyone else) might be able to create a forward set system like they did on the 1.0? Could the new "C clip" part serve the same function? By having a new "C clip" part so that the top arm is machined with more material in order to move the engagement point forward, would that provide for shorter engagement without messing with the trigger bar or striker block safety values? Or does it make more sense to make a new trigger bar with a longer tail section so that it's closer to the new c clip part? I personally think the new c clip part is the better idea...but I'm also not a gunsmith.

I just picked up a new 2.0 last week and I knew that Apex didn't have a forward set kit yet, but I really liked the grip texture so I got it anyway. I ordered the USB kit and the aluminum trigger because I hate the hinged factory triggers. Since I was ordering the trigger I figured I might as well do the USB. My wife shoots a 9c and we did the forward set Apex kit, and I love how her gun shoots. Hopefully they'll be able to get something worked out as I love that short pull and reset.
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This is just my own personal opinion of the M2.0. And its just MY own opinion, so dont get your fanboy panties all knotted up over my opinion.
The two M2.0`s i had ordered came in yesterday... (wow i didn`t expect to see them that fast, quantity vs quality....hmmmm) so i checked them both out thoroughly, WELL, surely not my cup of tea. Both sold to other people that were standing and waiting in line for my decision. If you could have only seen them drooling, there are suckers born everyday...lol. Reason i passed them up... same old shitty S&W triggers. I didnt feel like APEXing these M&P`s like my other M&P`s, and i didnt like the fact that you can`t slam the mag and bang a round up into the chamber at the same time (thats a huge loss in my opinion). I did break down both pistols... both barrels still sloppy in lock-up. You can move the barrels forward and backwards in full lock-up. I`ve got old pistols with 10,000+ rounds that are tighter fitting in full lock-up inside the slide, no recoil assembly, just barrel and slide. As for the extra grip insert in the box... kind of pointless. All the new upgrades just made the pistol cost more. And they dont shoot any better than the first gen M&P`s. All S&W should have done, was LISTEN to the customers... FIX THE LOUSY TRIGGER`S AND BARREL FITMENTS. Sell some with flat triggers, not that roundass garbage they use in all M&P`s. Dont let my disappointments discourage any of you, buy them, most of you would be happy with the new M2.0, just not my cup of tea.
Thanks for the info, Pa!

I wasn't interested in replacing any of mine with the 2.0 ones anyway, but what a POS!
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This is just my own personal opinion of the M2.0. And its just MY own opinion, so dont get your fanboy panties all knotted up over my opinion.
The two M2.0`s i had ordered came in yesterday... (wow i didn`t expect to see them that fast, quantity vs quality....hmmmm) so i checked them both out thoroughly, WELL, surely not my cup of tea. Both sold to other people that were standing and waiting in line for my decision. If you could have only seen them drooling, there are suckers born everyday...lol. Reason i passed them up... same old shitty S&W triggers. I didnt feel like APEXing these M&P`s like my other M&P`s, and i didnt like the fact that you can`t slam the mag and bang a round up into the chamber at the same time (thats a huge loss in my opinion). I did break down both pistols... both barrels still sloppy in lock-up. You can move the barrels forward and backwards in full lock-up. I`ve got old pistols with 10,000+ rounds that are tighter fitting in full lock-up inside the slide, no recoil assembly, just barrel and slide. As for the extra grip insert in the box... kind of pointless. All the new upgrades just made the pistol cost more. And they dont shoot any better than the first gen M&P`s. All S&W should have done, was LISTEN to the customers... FIX THE LOUSY TRIGGER`S AND BARREL FITMENTS. Sell some with flat triggers, not that roundass garbage they use in all M&P`s. Dont let my disappointments discourage any of you, buy them, most of you would be happy with the new M2.0, just not my cup of tea.

What kind of accuracy did you get?

Were there any malfunctions?

Were there any breakages?

Not a fanboy here, but your little review is pretty worthless.

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Is the striker block still located under the rear sight?
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Is the striker block still located under the rear sight?
Yes it is. Really not much has changed except the trigger bar and sear clip.
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What kind of accuracy did you get?

Were there any malfunctions?

Were there any breakages?

Not a fanboy here, but your little review is pretty worthless.
Seeing how its worthless, i wont waste my time with you telling you anything then.
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Thanks for the info, Pa!

I wasn't interested in replacing any of mine with the 2.0 ones anyway, but what a POS!
No argument there brother, i felt the same way.
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Maybe I'm a fanboy, never really thought about it...but the comments about replacing are so self centered it's ridiculous. You guys act like S&W owes you something, other than the pistol you already bought and own...that makes you even.

The only real question is; is the m2.0 a good pistol to buy...is it at least as good, or better than the original. It's not about you replacing yours, it's about the next shooter, buying their first, or their additional. I hope you at least know, the original is not made any more, the M2.o is the M&P choice now.

I don't understand why you act like it's supposed to be a replacement for yours, and even seem disappointed that your "old gun" isn't obsolete. I think S&W is pretty pleased with the M&P sales, and will be happy if that continues.

If you really need to crap all over something, maybe you could start your own thread, and leave the guy who just bought one's thread alone...rather than going off topic.

It seems, to me the new beefier frame, and less felt recoil, and newer texturing, is plenty, when the original was a nice gun for the money, with many happy customers.

Tul9033, thanks for the info, and enjoy your new gun...I've been very satisfied with my original versions, and with the improvements, I would think you'll be just as happy.
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I'm not a fanboy by any means, but I do own 2 of the M2.0 pistols. My first was a 4.25 in 9mm and next was the 5" FDE in 40 S&W.

I'm not a huge fan of the Loaded Chamber Indicator and Safety on the 5" model, but I will say that the Safety is very easily manipulated and has good positive action.

I think S&W did great with the new models. I'm really glad they went with the 1:10 twist barrels this time around. It saves me from having to buy KKM barrels in the same twist. Also, the trigger is very positive on both. I've not done any work to either trigger yet, and I probably won't. The rough grip texture is also a positive feature, as well as, the Medium-Large grip panel. I have large, rough farmer's hands so when I grab ahold of a polymer pistol with very little contact area ... I feel like I need to grip tighter to secure it. Not with the new M&P! I'm a fan of the new model, and often find myself grabbing it before I do my Sigs.

I, for one, think the new model is great! Granted ... the 5" is geared more towards a competitive shooter's platform, but the 4.25" model would easily be considered a Service or Duty carry.

Those of you saying that your trigger sounds like gravel ... take the pistol out of the case and shoot 500 rounds through it. You won't even notice it after that if it's still there at all.

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