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Old March 31st, 2017, 04:32 PM   #16
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As the title suggests, I attended an intermediate handgun class yesterday. Two observations: Two thirds of the sixteen people there (two instructors) wore Merrel type hiking shoes.. and two thirds of the people had M&P handguns. I had my 9C and 45FS, one of the instructors had his 45FS, another guy had an M2.0 9mmFS a few had 9mmFS and a couple had shields.
I wonder why everyone seems to like the M&P?
Well, I own some other makes of handguns too, but I spend most of my carry time with either of my M&P Shields, or due to the pocketable nature of the LCP, I'll carry that one to as a deep concealed piece.

I can shoot my Shields so well. Also, other than the heavy trigger on my SD9VE, I can shoot that gun very well too. I will carry that one when I just want to carry "heavy".....lotsa bullets!
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I have taken several CCW classes over the last year and saw the same thing.
tow observations from my classes.
#1. almost everyone in these classes (20-25 people per class) carried 9mm.
Very few .40 or .45 and zero .22
#2. the most prevalent firearms in all of three classes were Shields, 9C
and Rugers (either the SR9C or the LC9).
I saw no Glocks, and one Sig (a new P320 that was jamming on Aquila 115gr).
the Instructor?..... 9C
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I recently took a friend shooting.

She recently got her CCW and is now trying to figure out what firearm to buy.

She knew I had M&Ps and asked my why those over a Glock. I explained I had shot the Glock and other firearms and found the M&P ergonomically fit my hand better which makes it a more accurate firearm for me.

I was careful to explain to her that as much as I like the M&P, it may not be the same for her and encouraged her to rent a number of different guns to find the one she is most comfortable and accurate with.

She was no stranger to firearms and initially learned to shoot in Navy boot camp. She later shot a Glock belonging to another friend of hers but that had been awhile.

I was impressed by her admission that she had not shot in awhile and her request that I take her through the basics (which I would have done anyway).

After going through the basics of safety, stance, aiming, loading and racking she shot each of my M&Ps which of course included the Shield.

She said she remembered the Glock she had shot and said she could feel the difference in the grip.

Her first shots while mostly in the black, they were scattered from the 1-10 ring. However she soon got into the zone and was getting more and more consistent in her groupings which while low eventually came down to averaging 1-2 inches. She was a little frustrated that she was not getting more in the 10 ring.

I explained that the fact that she had consistent groupings was more important at this stage. I went on to tell her that with practice she can work on her aim.

We had a good time and went through about 300 rounds of ammo. She really liked the Shield (as well as my other M&Ps). She was very appreciative and not only bought me dinner but offered to pay for the ammo she used.
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I believe M&P is taking some of the fire away from glock... like everything though, there are some glocker`s that will never agree that the M&P is a superior firearm. I now own more M&P`s than glock. Theres a reason for it... ya cant beat the M&P ergo`s. And i dont have to buy a different barrel to shoot my cast bullets out of my M&P`s.
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I own more M&Ps than Glocks also.
Never liked a Glock fell in my hand since first one I picked up many moons ago.
Never have nor will own one.
There are other makes I will avoid as well. Springfield being one.
To me they got the glock feel down pat as well.




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Ergonomics, reputation and as always price
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I believe M&P is taking some of the fire away from glock... like everything though, there are some glocker`s that will never agree that the M&P is a superior firearm. I now own more M&P`s than glock. Theres a reason for it... ya cant beat the M&P ergo`s. And i dont have to buy a different barrel to shoot my cast bullets out of my M&P`s.
I agree. In fact while I was helping my friend with her shooting I noticed the guy on the lane next to ours shooting M&P FS.

I too believe Glock has loss its thunder not just to M&P but to Springfield, Sig and others.

That is not to say that Glock is not a good firearm. Were it not, the company would have gone out of business.

However the competitive playing field for polymer pistols have leveled and with Glock no longer the only or even dominant player, consumers have a variety of other polymer firearms with which to select the one that works best for them.
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As soon as the existing Glock 17 Gen4 inventory has been depleted and they re-introduce the G17M, Glock will regain their price-point market share amongst similar competitor models.
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Well, I have owned the G30, G17, G19, and G26. I do like Glocks and can shoot them well, especially the G19, but I like the "slightly" shallower grip angle of the M&P's over the Glocks. I still feel as though the grip angle on the Smith's is a tad more than on let's say a 1911, but not quite as steep as the Glock.
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As soon as the existing Glock 17 Gen4 inventory has been depleted and they re-introduce the G17M, Glock will regain their price-point market share amongst similar competitor models.
Remains to be seen... i have huge doubts though, and i know i wouldn`t buy a 17 either... i have no use for the 17. The 17 is a one purpose gun in my opinion... mainly due to its size, its not very concealable. We`re limited to 10-rd mags where i live, therefore, the G26 is the personal carry choice here in the glock community.

And not to mention, Glock wont even make a 30S in Gen4, which is totally ridiculous. They could sell a boat load of those G30S-4`s to the 45acp crowd, and there is ALOT of 45 shooters out there. Their last big hit was the G43, and they lost alot of sales due to its ammo capacity, thats where the M&P shield whooped glocks ass. Everytime i`m at my LGS, 2 guns are checked out, the G43 and the M&P Shield... the 9mm shield goes out the door 5to1 compared to G43. I`m not a G-hater as i own a few, but my go to guns are M&P`s... they fit my hand far better. So at this point, the (ghost, or pipe dream) 17M, does not interest me at all. I wont even waste my time looking at one. They could offer it for a dollar, i still wouldn`t buy one. If it dont fit my hand, its worthless in my opinion.

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