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Old April 6th, 2017, 12:51 PM   #1
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Pistol Caliber Carbine

I wonder if there's a market for an M&P 9mm carbine? Or .40 or .45ACP of course.

It wouldn't have to emulate an AR15, it could be a wholly unique design that uses the M&P pistol innards, grip, and magazines, have a carbine length barrel, and buttstock. Maybe a folding stock. Or maybe even a bullpup design.

Just brainstorming...
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Basically you just described a Kel-Tec sub 2000. Except the innards aren't the same. But it can be had to use M&P mags and otherwise fits what you described.

I love my sub2k, and there are plenty of mods that one can do to it. I use it in PCC USPSA competition and it's been 100% reliable with S&W mags, extended mags, and Promag 33 rounders. It also digests without complaint and 100% reliability my powderpuff competition loads. The mechanism is super simple and I like that. It's also very lightweight.

I'm waiting for the RONI to accept the M&P frame. That would also sort of fill your requirements except for the carbine length barrel. It would need a SBR tax stamp.
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Old April 6th, 2017, 05:27 PM   #3
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Somebody out there is making ar15 patterned 9mm carbines that take M&P mags but, since M&P mags only carry 17 rounds I would buy one that took glock 18 mags if I was gonna get one.

EDIT: Just Right Carbines: Combining both Glock and Smith & Wesson M&P magazines with AR-15 components, Just Right Carbines offers a series of 9mm rifles that will appeal to many officers and agencies. These guns can be had in a standard configuration with a quad-rail handguard, in a marine model with electroless nickel plating and in a takedown model. Additionally, rifles can be had in a variety of finishes and is fully ambidextrous. The pricing starts at $774. (justrightcarbines.com; 585-396-1551)

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Old April 6th, 2017, 05:48 PM   #4
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I only have one 9mm carbine, and it is a Hi Point 995TSFG. It runs well for me with just a standard red dot on it, and I can easily keep my groups within the "head" of a B-27 target at 40 yards or so.

Now, I would like to buy another pistol caliber carbine, but have not seen S&W delve into this venture yet. I shot my coworker's Kel Tec (Gen II), and really enjoyed that one....it was chambered in 9mm.
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Put a small red dot sight on the sub2k (2k = 2000) and it really comes alive. The "iron" (really plastic) sights are just there because a rifle needs sights IMO. I think of them as emergency sights and nothing more. The sub2k can be all sorts of tricked out to make it better... not just heavier with more junk bolted on, but actually better with little additional weight and still allow folding.

Negatives? I wish it had a flip down safety and not a push through safety. And I wish the mag release was positioned better. But it's nothing that training/practice can't fix.

But it's a pretty nice little and lightweight mousegun. It'll put out a lot of very accurate fire in a very short period of time.
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These are some of the 9 mm carbines I use for training on steel plates at close quarters.

This is a Wilson Combat 8" Glock based AR9. A version is available to accept either S&W or Beretta magazines. I chose the Glock for using their 33 round magazines. Except for the magazines, the basic rifles are the same.
I am having Wilson Combat fabricate a custom bolt extension to use a folding stock adapter as shown on the 16" Colt AR6951 below.





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My Sub2K with M&P mags, the ProMag 32-rounder works fine.

The trigger is so heavy, it hardly needs the safety.
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Try the MCarbo lighter springs. But shoot it a bunch first. My G2 S2k got a lot better after shooting a match; amazingly better. I installed the light springs anyway and the trigger got better yet.

A thumbs up on the promags. I've bought 6 of them from different sources and they all function 100%. It's nice to have mag/ammo compatibility between my handgun and mousegun.
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