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#1 ·
I own a Shield 9, a Pro 9 and up until yesterday, owned a Compact 9. All Three did not do well benching them at 25 yards, no matter what type of ammo tried (there were many). The Compact, Pro and Shield all shot groups of 5 inches on up. I had to put a $200 Apex barrel in the Pro to reduce the group sizes (less than 2 inches now).
Yesterday, I traded the Compact in on a Walther PPS M2. Took it to the range and was amazed, right out of the box, it shot groups of 2-3 inches.
This is a $400 gun, the same as the Shield and the other two were substantially more. Why can't Smith and Wesson do this? They could learn something from Walther. No more Smiths for me, until their QC gets better.
 
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I have a Shield 9, 9 Pro, and 40c and can get a 2in group out of the 9 Pro and 40c at 25yds and they are both bone stock. The shield gets me 3-4in but that is to be expected out of a small package. I guess I got lucky.
What ammo and weight are you using? I might have missed the one you use. My best groups have been with American Eagle 147 grain FMJ. I've even tried other brands in 147 and the groups opened up.
 
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I have a .40 full size and C i can shoot 2 to 3 inch groups at 9 yards with the FS, and not too far off with the C. I have a few friends with 9s and i can shoot them the same. I really think it has more to do with trigger control than the gun not being accurate. This is just my opinion.
 
#9 ·
One thing I might add, Walther is world famous for the accuracy of their barrels. Smith has the capability of producing target grade barrels, but they don't put target grade barrels in their standard production guns. S&W's target grade guns are very expensive.

Below is a 30 shot group shot from my 9mm M&P at 25 yards. It could be better, younger eyes and a real target pistol with a single action trigger, but not too bad for an old fart!
 

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I guess that there are enough gun buyers that are satisfied if the gun goes bang, and the bullet hits somewhere near where they want it to, that S&W does not need to produce more accurate weapons.

The smaller number of buyers that expect to hit what they aim at are in the minority and we cause all the complaints. We spend considerable time and money to improve our skills and resent being held back by what we thought were accurate weapons.

Smith and Wesson has owned a great reputation for quality arms but the 9mm M&Ps do not seem to live up to the reputation.

Warranty work, for my M&P 9, was swift but all they did was swap one barrel for another, twice. The lack of accuracy was not addressed.

Apparently my frame and slide were at the max end of tolerance and the barrels were at the other end. The Apex semi drop in barrel solved the problem.
 
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I guess I'm just lucky.

All six of my 9mm M&P's (going back to the first in '07) have all been quite accurate.

That said; I shoot 115gr jacketed, and 122gr cast TFP, bullets in 9mm.

I've installed Apex parts in most, which does make them easier to shoot well, but doesn't change their inherent accuracy.

My M&P's shoot as well for me as my 9mm Wilson Combat Professional 1911. And it shoots very well...
 
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