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100% reliable -no failures 1,061 90.30%
Some initial failures due to bad mags 12 1.02%
Some initial failures due to faulty workmanship 38 3.23%
Failures which could not be resolved 12 1.02%
Some initial failures due to tight fitting parts, etc. 39 3.32%
Failures which started occurring later, after the break-in period 13 1.11%
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Old March 15th, 2008, 08:21 PM   #16
 
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you could always do what i did, buy the gun, shoot the gun, enjoy the gun, take care of gun, and if something ever goes wrong with gun call s&w and return gun to be fixed or replaced for free. i don't understand what else anyone could want or expect in a gun. for $450 - $600 you get a really great gun and excellent customer service with a excellent warranty from a company who appears to know something about how to make a gun and who's been here since moses pitched a tent. just buy the thing already.
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Old March 15th, 2008, 08:36 PM   #17
 
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not a large sample but 500 rounds later and no problems at all with 5 different kinds of ammo...
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Old March 15th, 2008, 08:58 PM   #18
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I guess I'm at about 1900 rnds or so... as of a few hours ago. Nothing has changed since my last post.....same stupid reliability Ive seen the whole time. Ive had 2 ftfeeds ever with this gun. One was with my wife shooting it.....clearly her fault JK !! And one while I was using it. Who knows what caused it? Since it appears to be on course for 1 ftf per 1000 rnds fired......id say its pretty ing reliable. More than likely ammo or shooter related. If the gun had a problem....it would happen ALOT more. Just buy the damn thing....perfect Glocks go Kaboom and Austria's only good for the Vonn Trapp family anyway.
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Old March 15th, 2008, 09:32 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by David' post='117056' date='Mar 16 2008, 04:21 AM
you could always do what i did, buy the gun, shoot the gun, enjoy the gun, take care of gun, and if something ever goes wrong with gun call s&w and return gun to be fixed or replaced for free. i don't understand what else anyone could want or expect in a gun. for $450 - $600 you get a really great gun and excellent customer service with a excellent warranty from a company who appears to know something about how to make a gun and who's been here since moses pitched a tent. just buy the thing already.


You obviously have not had a serious reliability problem with a gun. As I stated in a previous reply, I had an S&W auto that I bought new (and like the M&P today, it was a new design at the time) . It had FTF's from day one. I sent it S&W and they did their "magic" to no avail. It continued to have FTF's and I had no choice but to sell it. A firearm that I can't trust is useless as a defensive weapon.



Yes, S&W customer service is good. Yes, they respond quickly and can fix most of the "obvious" problems. But when you're stuck with something a little harder to nail down, there's no guarantee it will be resolved. I know in many cases customers will report a problem and S&W will replace an entire assembly, like a slide, or sometimes even the entire gun. But that was not my experience.



The M&P's are a brand new line of pistols, and it's not clear that S&W has had sufficient time to iron out all the design and production issues yet. Therefore your recommendation to "just buy the thing already" makes little sense. I don't buy guns just for the fun of shooting. They also serve a serious purpose, and as stated above I have no use for them if they aren't reasonably reliable. If we were talking about a design that had been in volume production for several years, I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. I believe S&W makes fine quality products. But like any other product in the world, it takes time to work out all the bugs. Hence my request for a poll, to try and get a slightly better feeling for what people are experiencing out there.





ETA: Interestingly, out of 54 people who've responded to the poll, so far all report 100% reliability. Sounds good, but also slightly suspicious......
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Old March 15th, 2008, 09:37 PM   #20
 
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Originally Posted by wheel' post='117076' date='Mar 16 2008, 06:32 AM
You obviously have not had a serious reliability problem with a gun. As I stated in a previous reply, I had an S&W auto that I bought new (and like the M&P today, it was a new design at the time) . It had FTF's from day one. I sent it S&W and they did their "magic" to no avail. It continued to have FTF's and I had no choice but to sell it. A firearm that I can't trust is useless as a defensive weapon.



Yes, S&W customer service is good. Yes, they respond quickly and can fix most of the "obvious" problems. But when you're stuck with something a little harder to nail down, there's no guarantee it will be resolved. I know in many cases customers will report a problem and S&W will replace an entire assembly, like a slide, or sometimes even the entire gun. But that was not my experience.



The M&P's are a brand new line of pistols, and it's not clear that S&W has had sufficient time to iron out all the design and production issues yet. Therefore your recommendation to "just buy the thing already" makes little sense. If we were talking about a design that had been in volume production for several years, then I wouldn't hesitate. I believe S&W makes fine quality products. But like any other product in the world, it takes time to work out all the bugs. Hence my request for a poll, to try and get a slightly better feeling for what people are experiencing out there.





ETA: Interestingly, out of 54 people who've responded to the poll, so far all report 100% reliability. Sounds good, but also slightly suspicious......




don't buy the thing. good grief.
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Old March 15th, 2008, 09:43 PM   #21
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don't buy the thing. good grief.


??



Strange logic.
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Old March 15th, 2008, 09:44 PM   #22
 
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fiocci ammo will not feed properly in my weapon, other then that nothing else, I have an mpa serial # that I bought some time ago.
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Old March 15th, 2008, 09:48 PM   #23
 
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Originally Posted by wheel' post='117078' date='Mar 16 2008, 06:43 AM
??



Strange logic.


not as strange as inviting opinions then shooting them down once they are given. you want to hear the "positive opinions" but then you said these positive opinions seem suspicious...
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Old March 15th, 2008, 11:36 PM   #24
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I didn't know how to vote so I didn't. I have two M&Ps. My fullsize 9mm had some very minor issues that disappeared with break in but my compact .40 has been flawless.
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2400 flawless rounds through my M&P9.

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Old March 16th, 2008, 02:35 AM   #26
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Originally Posted by wheel' post='116903' date='Mar 15 2008, 11:07 AM
Ahhh... but you see I'm used to BLA BLA BLA YADA YADA YADA.
Ahhh... the whitless drone of another Gaston Goose stepper.



I'm in construction and I work with 2x4's 8 to 10 hours a day so the feel of the Glock is very familiar. That doesn't mean it I wood {sic} recommend it for a personal defense weapon. And by "perfection" you mean pulling the trigger when you DON'T intend to fire (aka the "Lee Paige moment"), replacing broken springs during combat, enduring "phase three malfunctions", maybe you missed the article where the term kaBOOM! (later shortened to kB!) was coined by a writer talking about yet another of the multiple design defects of the decidedly imperfect Glocks that cause them to blow up in your hand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vceh44UK-8I (can anyone else hear all the excuses welling up?).



Maybe I'm speaking out of line but since you're so hopelessly immersed in that Glock crock of doo, what are you doing here? Could it be that the comfortable grip or the reduced felt recoil pulled you in with the probability of tighter groups. Maybe the history of an American company that's been producing reliable firearms for 6 times longer than your #2 brand.



As far as faulty logic. You come and ask our opinion, we offer honesty and you call us liars?



I own a boatload of SWHC stock but I'll be the first one to say. If you're so enamored with your old used icon of Austria's "Everlasting Neutrality" that you willingly overlook the veritable cornucopia of design faults, then I say stick with it and proclaim yourself a lucky man. Doesn't take a Rocket Surgeon to follow that logic, but it easily confounds a troll.
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Old March 16th, 2008, 06:08 AM   #27
 
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Originally Posted by wheel' post='117078' date='Mar 16 2008, 01:43 AM
??



Strange logic.


Davids "logic" is quite sound. You have stumbled into a forum of gun owners that is pretty much specific to one model, the S&W M&P series. It appears that approximately 94% of those who took the time to answer the poll that YOU initiated have no issues with their pistols, and yet you call that "suspicious". If that's not an expert endorsement, I don't know what is, unless you think everyone here is lying. Ask yourself this: What purpose would that serve? My guess is that you either work for, sell, own stock in Glock or you just like to type. Either way, the M&P (not to be confused with some of S&W's earlier model semi-autos) is what it is. A reliable weapon at a very reasonable price made in AMERICA by an AMERICAN company that stands behind it's products, and, of a random sampling, at least 94% of owners have had NO issues with their pistols. Don't know what more you could ask for. Go to your local dealer and rent one. If you don't like it, buy something else. Please check back when you find the "perfect" firearm. I want one, too.
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Originally Posted by MP40-PopPop' post='117161' date='Mar 16 2008, 11:08 AM
Davids "logic" is quite sound. You have stumbled into a forum of gun owners that is pretty much specific to one model, the S&W M&P series. It appears that approximately 94% of those who took the time to answer the poll that YOU initiated have no issues with their pistols, and yet you call that "suspicious". If that's not an expert endorsement, I don't know what is, unless you think everyone here is lying. Ask yourself this: What purpose would that serve? My guess is that you either work for, sell, own stock in Glock or you just like to type. Either way, the M&P (not to be confused with some of S&W's earlier model semi-autos) is what it is. A reliable weapon at a very reasonable price made in AMERICA by an AMERICAN company that stands behind it's products, and, of a random sampling, at least 94% of owners have had NO issues with their pistols. Don't know what more you could ask for. Go to your local dealer and rent one. If you don't like it, buy something else. Please check back when you find the "perfect" firearm. I want one, too.




+1 on what he said.

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Old March 16th, 2008, 06:26 AM   #29
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My full sized MP 40 has been perfect with over 4000 rounds through it. My MP 9c has had feed problems that caused me to send it back to S & W twice for repairs. It has been fixed and is now very reliable with about 1000 rounds through it since the repair.

I voted 100% because of the perfect record of my MP 40 caliber.

If there had been a option for dependability of more than one MP I would have had to vote differently.
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Old March 16th, 2008, 06:51 AM   #30
 
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Originally Posted by KRWeiss' post='117130' date='Mar 16 2008, 10:35 AM
Ahhh... the whitless drone of another Gaston Goose stepper.



I'm in construction and I work with 2x4's 8 to 10 hours a day so the feel of the Glock is very familiar. That doesn't mean it I wood {sic} recommend it for a personal defense weapon. And by "perfection" you mean pulling the trigger when you DON'T intend to fire (aka the "Lee Paige moment"), replacing broken springs during combat, enduring "phase three malfunctions", maybe you missed the article where the term kaBOOM! (later shortened to kB!) was coined by a writer talking about yet another of the multiple design defects of the decidedly imperfect Glocks that cause them to blow up in your hand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vceh44UK-8I (can anyone else hear all the excuses welling up?).



Maybe I'm speaking out of line but since you're so hopelessly immersed in that Glock crock of doo, what are you doing here? Could it be that the comfortable grip or the reduced felt recoil pulled you in with the probability of tighter groups. Maybe the history of an American company that's been producing reliable firearms for 6 times longer than your #2 brand.



As far as faulty logic. You come and ask our opinion, we offer honesty and you call us liars?



I own a boatload of SWHC stock but I'll be the first one to say. If you're so enamored with your old used icon of Austria's "Everlasting Neutrality" that you willingly overlook the veritable cornucopia of design faults, then I say stick with it and proclaim yourself a lucky man. Doesn't take a Rocket Surgeon to follow that logic, but it easily confounds a troll.




Hi

There no perfect gun. However I own a S&W M&P 40 and 45 there are noe both at S&W for repairs the 40 I have had acouple of years with no flaws the 45 was purchase Feb of this years and sent in in march of this year But I will still trust and carry them both when I get them back. The reason I replied to your post is before the glock is labeled the KB gun you can search around and find many different brand that go KB both polymer and Steel framed guns. And you will also find almost ever KB has been do to ammo! In Closing I think the S&W M&P is as good as any Semi-Auto!
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