This is a discussion on Poll: Was your M&P reliable out of the box? within the Polls forums, part of the Smith & Wesson MP Forum category; I just passed the 1400 round mark and have ZERO failures failures to report. M&P9 serial #MPHxxxx....
|View Poll Results: Poll: Was your M&P reliable out of the box?|
|100% reliable -no failures||1,060||90.29%|
|Some initial failures due to bad mags||12||1.02%|
|Some initial failures due to faulty workmanship||38||3.24%|
|Failures which could not be resolved||12||1.02%|
|Some initial failures due to tight fitting parts, etc.||39||3.32%|
|Failures which started occurring later, after the break-in period||13||1.11%|
|Voters: 1174. You may not vote on this poll|
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|March 16th, 2008, 08:08 AM||#32|
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Rockville, MD
I had to stop reading at this point. If I laugh any harder I'll probably lose control of my bladder.
Excellent. I need to remember that so I can steal it sometime. "Rocket Surgeon" ... excellent.
I don't even remember what this thread was about any more.
|March 16th, 2008, 09:22 AM||#33|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Let me just try and answer all the "irritated" replies, including yours:
- Your assumptions and judgment of me are completely flawed. I've shot and owned S&W's for close to 30 years, probably a lot longer than many of you. I'm loyal to the brand. I always buy American products when I have a choice. I purchased a Glock about two years ago, at a time when S&W (or any other American manufacturer) had nothing comparable and I had no real choice. If I were in a similar situation again today (minus my recently aquired knowledge of Glocks) I would likely take the risk and buy the M&P, since it offers the features I need, and it's American made. However, today I'm in a different position. I have a good reliable firearm in the Glock, but I am also interested in the M&P for the above reasons as well as a couple others. I can afford to be more careful, do more research, and perhaps wait a while until the factory has had a chance to iron out their bugs.
- I don't believe Glocks are perfect and never said that. I used the term "PERFECTION" in my earlier post in the sarcastic sense. My particular sample of Glock has indeed been completely reliable for me, but there are of course samples out there which are less than "perfect". I never intended for Glock to be part of this thread - it was just a side comment I made sarcastically. But you guys are so paranoid, ready to jump on anyone for the smallest reason.
- At the time I made the "suspicious" comment, the poll had 13 entries I believe, and EVERYONE at that point had reported 100% reliability. I viewed that as slightly suspicious only because there are many people in this forum who have reported various types of failures, and since such people are more prone to reading the forum, I kind of expected to see more of them show up in the poll earlier. Guess I was wrong there. (I see today there are 5-6 (?) failures reported). Overall the poll hasn't attracted many responders so obviously its results are not very meaningful anyway, one way or the other.
- I NEVER accused anyone of lying. How can anyone say that just because the early results of the poll looked slanted to me? All I meant was that it appeared to me that an insufficient (or incomplete) group of people had responded at that point. Obviously any poll like this that reports 100% perfection must be invalid in some way. You guys really need to cool down.
- As I stated at least twice in this thread, I've been burned by a defective S&W 4006 sample that had problems the factory could not resolve. The situation was not dissimilar from today - a new model, just out on market for a short time, etc. You guys out there who just say "stop whining and just buy the thing" obviously haven't had to deal with something like that. Today when I read of all these types of FTF's in the M&P's it certainly makes me think twice. But as I said, I'm loyal to S&W, and because of that am willing to consider taking the plunge again with another auto. But I would be foolish not to at least do some research first.
- My comment "strange logic" was referring to the fact that one poster was apparently frustrated and irritated that I was unwilling to just "buy the thing, shoot it, and have fun". When I explained that I've had a bad experience and wanted some more information first, his response was "then don't buy it". Seems strange to me that people object to someone asking a few questions and doing some research up front before buying. That's what I meant by "strange logic".
In summary, I appreciate all those who have responded to the poll with useful data and comments. Those who have just turned it into a dumb Glock vs. S&W discussion, accused me of calling people liars, etc - I'm not too surprised, there is always a bunch of such people out there making assumptions about others with no foundation. Too bad, because it really detracts from these forums.
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|March 16th, 2008, 09:41 AM||#34|
Join Date: Feb 2008
A gun should never have a ftf in its life? All factory ammo is perfect out of the box? + I saw very few ftf posts in this thread. A glock is probably going to have a better time feeding ammo due to the design of the feedramp and chamber area. The casing in a glock is also not fully supported because of this as well.....which can lead to KB's. I'd rather have a fully seated casing and risk the chance of the very in-frequent ftf than have my gun kb in a fire fight. I can remedy a ftf alot quicker than an exploded gun. I believe to fully avoid an ftf one must use a revolver....it just happens from time to time with MOST semi-autos.
|March 16th, 2008, 09:41 AM||#35|
Join Date: Mar 2008
My particular sample of the M&P has indeed been completely reliable for me, but there are of course samples out there which are less than "perfect".
|March 16th, 2008, 10:06 AM||#36|
Join Date: Jan 2007
And I agree completely. But this thread is not about comparing Glocks's to S&W's. My question is, since the M&P is a new design with relatively little production experience, what percentage of NIB units are going to exhibit problems compared to other mature models within S&W, or other makes?
I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to grasp. Only a fool believes a mechanical device can be 100% reliable. I'm simply trying to find out how good the M&P's are at this point in their early life. And the only way to get a good answer is to question a broad sampling of owners.
|March 16th, 2008, 10:07 AM||#37|
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Portland Oregon
Bought my M&P 9c , brought it home gave it a good clean and lube.
Been hit in the forehead with a few hot brass but no other troubles.
The wife and i went out of town and my M&P got out of the safe, threw an EPIC party
2 kegs, bathtub full of 191 jungle juice and fruit.
Called a few ex80's rocker friends of mine then made tons of 1-900 phone calls.
I now take the damn thing with me whenever i go out.
Seriously your asking an internet forum created for Smith & Wesson's M&P not many here are
going to tell you there's suck. If it did they would have sold it and moved on.
Plus, how well do you know some of these people your asking advice from?
That dude that works with 2x4's all day might also use his M&P as a hammer to nail those together
more than likely he doesn't but the point is you never know.
Some may not even own ANY handguns just say they do.
I've heard tale of Todd G running around competitions just pointing his finger and yelling "BanG"
**as for a quick answer.... Yes it seems most of the bugs have been worked out, if not S&W has PROVEN itself
in going out of the way to fix or correct any troubles you might have or find**
|March 16th, 2008, 10:19 AM||#38|
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Yukon, Oklahoma
You say this is your question.
Well, this poll will not provide an answer to that.
|March 16th, 2008, 11:06 AM||#39|
Join Date: Mar 2008
|March 16th, 2008, 12:20 PM||#43|
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tide Water VA
I have a 9C and full size 9. I answered the poll on teh basis of my full size which is an MPZ XXXX series. I have about 500rds down the tube and it runs and runs just fine. I did do a few tweaks such as polishing the rough spots off of the slide lock and slide lock notch as it was a &()&(&^ to drop the slide using the lever. I have a 9C that is an early series MPL XXXX and it did not feed JHP ammot worth beans. However 15 minutes of polishing the feed ramp and breaking the edges on the little "horns" on either side with 800 grit sandpapaer and then polishing. It too is now 100%, I did nto respond on the basis of the 9C because Smith has made numerous revisions is response to detected problems.
further there are 5 or 6 people shooting IDPA with these at my area club. I have not seen any failures in competition. for some reason if it is going to screw up competition brings it out. Been there done that, cussed.
|March 16th, 2008, 01:12 PM||#44|
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Rockville, MD
It's hard to feel sympathy for you when you take an attitude like this. "I never said Glocks are perfect, I just used the word perfection. You're all too dumb/paranoid to know I was thinking in sarcastic tones as I typed it." Apparently, quite a few people took your post that way, so is it perhaps conceivable that it was your communication, rather than our reading comprehension and/or psychological stability, which led to the misunderstanding?
If you ask a bunch of BWM owners about their cars, would it really surprise you if the first 13 said their cars worked fine right off the lot? Yes, there are complaints about the M&P here ... if anything, you'd think the complainers would be more inclined to answer your poll. So perhaps the fact that the numbers are trending so far towards no problems should tell you that most people don't have problems. What's the problem?
Again, what you're conveying here certainly makes me think you were accusing people of being dishonest. Right after you say you're not accusing anyone of lying, you complain that the poll results look "slanted." Doublespeak much?
Personally, I couldn't care less whether you buy one or not. And yes, it would be foolish not to do some research. Getting your panties in a bunch and arguing with people, calling them paranoid, accusing them of "slanting" poll results ... none of these strike me as sincere market research. Pollsters don't get into arguments with the people they're polling.
I'm genuinely sympathetic that you had a lemon 4006. I still don't see how that relates to the discussion at hand, though, and simply seems like another little hand grenade you want to throw on the discussion over and over.
|March 16th, 2008, 01:49 PM||#45|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: North Carolina
I already posted on this thread early on...still waiting to be contacted so that Wheel can mail me his Glock!!
I'm sorry that this post got so inflammatory...and we probably all do need to cool down a bit. I think the results of the poll, while a relatively small sample, are fairly accurate.
Wheel has mentioned a couple of times about being a "new" model...Is two years of production and a growing number of sales considered new? I don't have numbers to support the improved sales...you can research it if you want...I just know that many dealers can't keep them in stock. I think that it is tested and proven dependable at this point. The only model that still may fall into the "new" category is the .45 and now the 45mid-sized...but I wouldn't consider the .45 to be new or untested either. That's all I wanted to say I guess.
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