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|no, I chose 9mm because of a reason other than the price of ammo or concealability. (please reply to this thread to explain)||246||63.57%|
|yes, but I can't afford anything except the 9mm rounds||25||6.46%|
|yes, but I can't (comfortably) conceal anything bigger.||34||8.79%|
|other (please reply to this thread to explain)||82||21.19%|
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|May 9th, 2015, 12:50 PM||#213|
Join Date: Jan 2007
As to the use of .40's, etc. by the police, the FBI is returning to the 9mm for its agents after dabbling with the 10 mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP. They have concluded modern ammo along with higher capacity and greater ease of shooting and practical accuracy outweigh the small advantage of the larger calibers. Several other police agencies have followed suit.
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|September 24th, 2015, 07:36 PM||#214|
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Louisville, KY
I chose 9mm because I already had 2 other 9mm pistols and didn't want to add another caliber. Having said that I'd like to add that I really don't feel a need to carry a larger caliber as defense ammo in 9mm is more than adequate.
|January 24th, 2016, 02:17 AM||#215|
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Hoosier State
I actually switched to 9mm after carrying a 4" 1911 for around 10 yrs. I chose to switch because of capacity and the improvement of bullet tech over the last 20 yrs. Shot placement helps drop oil pressure, IMO.
|January 24th, 2016, 08:29 AM||#216|
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Central Maine
I didn't read the other responses. I hope it didn't turn into a favorite cartridge discussion. But that's not why for me.
I'm currently carrying a Kimber 3" in .45, but I'm swapping over to 9mm. Why? Round count, pure and simple. The threat has changed and continues to change. Now we have a pOTUS who wants to destabilize the country with unvetted widows and orphans who are mostly fighting age males between the ages of 20-45. I see round count as being important. I can carry far more 9mm with 2 spare mags for my 9c than I can with .45. Depending on the mags, up to 52 rounds if I'm counting right. I think the round count for the .45, same number of mags, is 23. If I really want to get crazy, but I have no idea how I'd carry them, the round count with 2 27 round mags is close to insane. Since I mostly carry off body in a Maxpedition Fatboy pack I just might be able to pull off carrying those oversize sticks.
Last edited by BrianK; January 24th, 2016 at 03:32 PM.
|January 24th, 2016, 08:43 AM||#217|
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: West Michigan
|January 24th, 2016, 10:03 AM||#218|
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Nags Head, NC
I've always carried 9 because of round count. I can carry 15 in my pistol and 15 in a spare mag comfortably. In any situation I can imagine getting myself into and out of, if 30 rounds doesn't do it, I'll suffer the consequences.
|January 24th, 2016, 03:06 PM||#219|
Join Date: Dec 2014
It is often interesting to read older material.
|March 21st, 2017, 06:55 PM||#221|
Join Date: Mar 2006
I am a carry permit instructor and i require a 9mm or greater caliber. The latest offerings from the big companies have made the 9mm caliber a very viable defense round. It's amazing what technology can do for ballistics.
|March 22nd, 2017, 03:17 AM||#222|
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Southeast USA
I chose full size 45 cal. for home defense (no short barrel 45 for me) due to slightly less penetration through barriers (compared with 9 mm or 40 cal.) as well as for the fact that 45 HST rounds may be slightly more likely to get the job done with the larger size of the hole that they make. Also, if a round fails to expand, a 45 cal. round is still going to make a fairly large hole. If a 45 cal. round flies out the window it will be less likely to penetrate my neighbors' houses and will drop sooner with less range than 9mm or 45 cal. rounds. Slightly less accuracy if quick follow up shots are needed doesn't stop me from using 45 cal. for home defense as any firing that I would be doing in my home would be in close quarters. Capacity is also a non-issue for home-defense as I can use 14 round extended magazines as this setup doesn't have to be concealable or pretty.. I replaced a S&W 686 357 magnum used for home defense due to its low round count, its heavy double-action trigger and its likelihood for excessive over penetration.
With my 2 XL hands, for carry I like a small 9 mm with a long enough grip so that I can get two full fingers on it. That eliminates the M&P 9 C and the Glock 26 and 27s for me. The 9 mm Shield works with its longer grip with eight in the mag. and one in the pipe. Most bad guys (but not all) are going to run as soon as you pull a gun out so hopefully the round count is enough. It's impossible to be prepared for every possible situation without carrying a bazooka, but I'd be much more likely to conceal carry a small 9 mm than I would any full size gun and a small 9 mm is much better than nothing.
Last edited by Yankee45; March 22nd, 2017 at 03:35 AM.
|March 22nd, 2017, 11:06 AM||#225|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Anyone remember the Sigma 380, every shot would shave pot metal off the slide, rated at 1500 round till self destruction, oddest mag release ever, you pinched the bottom of the mag to get it out. The release was part of the mags, horrible trigger coupled with a trench instead of any real sights. Not S&W glory days with semi autos.
Gave it away to a Attorney friend who shot it a few times and GAVE IT BACK, gave it to a friend who owned nothing but was honest about the thing, few days latter he gave me a five year old working laptop that was a decent backup. I got the better deal.
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